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Post by Hedo69 on Mar 30, 2005 13:28:30 GMT -6
;)Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm, a new business venture to look into!! ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by Tex on Mar 30, 2005 14:32:43 GMT -6
Despite what many would have you believe, I can't see this as a "right to die" case. If there was incontrovertible evidence that Terri Schiavo had said that she would not want to live in such circumstances, there would be little to no controversy. I certainly would have no beef with unhooking her if that were the case.
The heart of the controversy is that shitbird husband and his siblings are the only ones that purportedly heard Terri utter that she wouldn't want to live if... This case, IMHO, is more about the facts than a "right to die" policy.
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Post by Bluejay on Mar 30, 2005 18:21:11 GMT -6
Holy crap...So I'm away at a conference for a few days, and when I come back, I see this thread has grown into an 11 page mammoth
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Post by Chicago Jake on Mar 30, 2005 19:26:37 GMT -6
Put on your reading glasses. You've got some catching up to do!.......Jake
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Post by Hedo69 on Mar 31, 2005 9:08:24 GMT -6
Well, Terri has just passed away. I hope she has an easier life now.
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Post by Chicago Jake on Mar 31, 2005 9:23:49 GMT -6
Slowly starved to death over a two-week period. I hope her snake of a husband is proud of himself. If he'd done that to a puppy, he'd be charged with animal cruelty.....Jake
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Post by That English Guy on Mar 31, 2005 9:50:55 GMT -6
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Post by Kid Kevorkian on Mar 31, 2005 9:53:32 GMT -6
Slowly starved to death over a two-week period. I hope her snake of a husband is proud of himself. If he'd done that to a puppy, he'd be charged with animal cruelty.....Jake Unfortunately, lethal injection is a kindness our government will only allow to baser animals, and not to humans.
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Post by Bluejay on Mar 31, 2005 10:08:00 GMT -6
A very sad case. It is ironic that lethal injection, a relatively humane form of assisted death, is permitted only for animals and death row inmates. Innocent humans such as Terri Schiavo must starve to death. Even though Terri was not aware of her starvation, it still does not seem right. A case like this screams out for the legalization of physician-assisted euthanasia.
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Post by Ardbeg... innit on Mar 31, 2005 10:11:57 GMT -6
Unfortunately, lethal injection is a kindness our government will only allow to baser animals, and not to humans. Like death row inmates ![>:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/angry.png)
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Post by Chicago Jake on Mar 31, 2005 10:51:08 GMT -6
Gordon, are you SURE you are a liberal? ;D ;D .....Jake
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Post by danimal on Mar 31, 2005 14:04:24 GMT -6
I hear that the Pope is near death.
Are we going to starve him too?
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Post by Foreigner on Mar 31, 2005 14:26:21 GMT -6
I hear that the Pope is near death. Are we going to starve him too? Looks like that would be the only legal way, since Italy also bans euthanasia From www.politicalgateway.com/news/read.html?id=3293: In particular ITALY - In Italy, a staunchly Roman Catholic country, euthanasia is banned and the subject is more or less taboo. Debate is building, however, and even Health Minister Girolamo Sirchia in late 2003 raised the issue of allowing people to establish what is known as a living will stipulating that they oppose extreme means to keep them alive. In December 2003, however, a young Italian was sentenced to 18 months in prison for helping his mother, suffering from the ultimately fatal Lou Gehrig's disease, to go to Switzerland to die.
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Post by Sanctimonious Twit on Mar 31, 2005 15:16:28 GMT -6
No, let's just sauce him up on holy wine and push him down the stairs. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by Lady Irie on Mar 31, 2005 15:54:35 GMT -6
You know, it appears there are two sides to every story. On talk radio today, Lionel said that the lawsuits that followed Teri's illness initially resulted in $750,000 for her and $350,000 for her husband. Apparently Terri's father approached her husband after the settlement wanting "his cut" and hubby declined to share. I wouldn't be surprised if this is where the "bad blood" started! Money has a way of bringing out the evil in people!
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Post by DT on Mar 31, 2005 17:08:06 GMT -6
uh huh, Dats why I put my faith in the Florida Courts and they prevailed. It's a damn shame on Terri's part, it had to go that far.
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Post by That English Guy on Mar 31, 2005 17:09:35 GMT -6
You know, it appears there are two sides to every story. On talk radio today, Lionel said that the lawsuits that followed Teri's illness initially resulted in $750,000 for her and $350,000 for her husband. Apparently Terri's father approached her husband after the settlement wanting "his cut" and hubby declined to share. I wouldn't be surprised if this is where the "bad blood" started! Money has a way of bringing out the evil in people! Point taken, but after all these years, with the cold reality of their daughter's death finally upon them, I think this callousness towards the people who brought her into the world was sickening. I would say that if any good has come out of this it's that the courts refused to allow the politicians to meddle. I cannot imagine that I would want to exist for one month in Terri Schiavo's condition never mind 15 years, and I think that on balance the right thing to do was to end her living hell. BUT as I have said previously I do not believe that her husband, having since entered a loving relationship with another woman, should have retained the right to decide her fate. I also believe that until laws are passed to enable doctors to administer a fatal injection in such cases that nobody should die such a horrible lingering death, and I say that not to criticize American law because exactly the same would have happened here where this is the biggest news story of the day and top of the agenda on our political talk shows on TV tonight because of its relevance to our own laws. If I let a dog, brain damaged or not, die like that I'd be charged with cruelty, yet the world sat and waited while a fellow human being died such a terrible death, whether she was aware of it or not. And the very fact that I even know about, have followed, considered and am commenting on Terri Schiavo's death from the other side of the world is part of the prossess that robbed this tragic woman of the dignity she was entitled to. Simon
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Post by RumAndCoke on Mar 31, 2005 17:35:10 GMT -6
Point taken, but after all these years, with the cold reality of their daughter's death finally upon them, I think this callousness towards the people who brought her into the world was sickening...............Simon Yes, it would have been nice if the parents and the rest of the family could be with Teri when she died, but seeing the freakish sideshow that they put forth in the previous weeks what do you really think the odds would be that they would behave themselves once in the hospice? These were the same people that demanded Teri be x-rayed to find evidence of broken bones from an attack that they accused her husband of laying on her that they felt put her into the coma in the first place. As well, they also told the world that 7 days after the tube was pulled out that she was awake and trying to tell them that "I want to live". I think that if they were banned from the hospice at Teri's last moments then they should examine their own behaviour that might have led to this unfortunate decision. They are not the victime here.
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Post by Tex on Mar 31, 2005 17:49:01 GMT -6
Yes, it would have been nice if the parents and the rest of the family could be with Teri when she died, but seeing the freakish sideshow that they put forth in the previous weeks what do you really think the odds would be that they would behave themselves once in the hospice? ... It is incredible that you would starve a helpless individual to death and be concerned about the behavior of a few people carrying signs outside. This whole affair is a blot on the country, IMHO. To considering this lady's being starved to death a victory is sick.
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Post by That English Guy on Mar 31, 2005 17:52:16 GMT -6
I think that if they were banned from the hospice at Teri's last moments then they should examine their own behaviour that might have led to this unfortunate decision. They are not the victime here. I also said that as the husband had entered a relationship with another woman he should not have retained the right to decide Terri's fate, and therefore with it who should be with her when she eventually died. Having kept that right then no, I do not think he was morally right to prevent her family being there at the end, however justified he might have felt. Whatever the parents may have done and said, as Sunlovers said in the post that I was replying to, there are two sides to every story. Simon
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Post by Merlot Joe on Mar 31, 2005 17:57:59 GMT -6
Slowly starved to death over a two-week period. I hope her snake of a husband is proud of himself. If he'd done that to a puppy, he'd be charged with animal cruelty.....Jake Jake old friend, as you have told others I am afraid I must tell you respectfully you are full of shit on this issue. You want snakes in this case it's her parents. Lets see why. Accused the Husband of beating her into the coma, wanted money that didn't belong to them, said she was talking to them "I want to live", (yeah on what fucking plant) and for the 3 ring circus they put on for the last 2 weeks allowing it to get to the point then last but not least, even let that scum of a Jessie Jackson get involved. And then today for a news report I heard just now on MSNBC, the parents and her brother were fighting with police in the hall way of the rest home just before she died, and Michale did not want that type of behavior in the room. Those people are nuts. I don't blame Michael for shutting their selfish ass out. The deserved it. Joe.
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Post by Merlot Joe on Mar 31, 2005 18:04:44 GMT -6
This is to those of you who did not approve of the Terri was starved to death. Something to think about.
This is not the first time that this has happened in this country.
It happens every day. Terri is not the first person that was starved to death because of her hopeless medical condition . So it's a little late to get on the band wagon about it.
As you are reading this, some place in this country a lot of people are going thru the same thing that Terri just went thru right at this moment..
This one just happened to make the news, the others don't. If you are going to complain about one, your better start complaining about all the others to.
Maybe it's time that we in the United States and maybe some other countries, wake up to the idea of Euthanisa.
Joe.
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Post by Merlot Joe on Mar 31, 2005 18:10:06 GMT -6
I hear that the Pope is near death. Are we going to starve him too? Get a life man!!!! ![>:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/angry.png) Joe.
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Post by julesnscot on Mar 31, 2005 18:21:12 GMT -6
"It happens every day. Terri is not the first person that was starved to death because of her hopeless medical condition . So it's a little late to get on the band wagon about it."
It's NEVER too late!
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Post by That English Guy on Mar 31, 2005 18:36:54 GMT -6
This is not the first time that this has happened in this country. It happens every day. Terri is not the first person that was starved to death because of her hopeless medical condition . So it's a little late to get on the band wagon about it. Sorry Joe, but because something is widespread and normal practise does not make it acceptable, nor mean that nothing should be done to ch-ch-change it. If state sanctioned mercy killing is to be permitted then it should be carried out humanely so that people like Terri Schiavo die quick, painless and dignified deaths and not suffer the way she did. Would I let go of a loved one in Terri's condition? Yes. Would I let them die the way she did? Never. Simon
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Post by Merlot Joe on Mar 31, 2005 18:58:53 GMT -6
Sorry Joe, but because something is widespread and normal practise does not make it acceptable, nor mean that nothing should be done to ch-ch-change it. If state sanctioned mercy killing is to be permitted then it should be carried out humanely so that people like Terri Schiavo die quick, painless and dignified deaths and not suffer the way she did. Would I let go of a loved one in Terri's condition? Yes. Would I let them die the way she did? Never. Simon Everyone is acting like Terri is the first person to ever die this way. She is not. It has been acceptable until this case arrived on the scene. I have heard no one anyplace say anything about it before. Simon, I agree completely that it should be fast, done humanely, and sanctioned by the States in our case, or other peoples countries. Did anyone read the last sentence of my post? Would I let loved on go in Terri's conditon? Yes Would I do it that way? Yes , if there was no other choice. For those of you that disagree with my point of view, sorry. I feel that the suffering is shorter to end it, than to continue it. Joe.
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Post by That English Guy on Mar 31, 2005 19:11:57 GMT -6
Everyone is acting like Terri is the first person to ever die this way. She is not. It has been acceptable until this case arrived on the scene. I ahve heard no one anyplace say anything about it before. Simon, I agree completely that it should be fast, done humanely, and sanctioned by the States in our case, or other people countries. Terri is not the first case, but it's her case that has highlighted such a tragic issue, and that's how positive ch-ch-change is often brought about. I agree with euthansia, but the 'choice' should not be to let a loved one die like Terri did. If I was to end up in the same state as Terri then I would wish for my purgatory to be ended as swiftly and painlessly as possible. My living will would not ask that I be deprived of food and water and starved to death, and if that was the best that was on offer I would want to be kept alive. I think we are going to have to agree to differ on this one. Simon
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Post by Merlot Joe on Mar 31, 2005 19:22:57 GMT -6
If I was to end up in the same state as Terri then I would wish for my purgatory to be ended as swiftly and painlessly as possible. Simon I would to, but we don't always get what we want. I would rather suffer for 2 weeks then die, than live like Terri did for 5 minutes. Joe.
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Post by Lady Irie on Mar 31, 2005 20:59:19 GMT -6
I am curious as to why Michael S. would take such a radical stance in not allowing Terri's parents to be with their daughter as she died, (in as much as what harm would it have done), but observing the spectacle they have created, my guess is that Michael's decision was based on that "bad blood" that exists and didn't want an argument to start in front of Teri while she was dying. If anything, this should give everyone a reality check on durable power of attorney with health care proxy and living wills (not only spelling out your wishes but remembering to add WHO is to carry them out). Teri's money from the settlement is just about gone except for about $50,000. One of the lawyers has been paid over $350,000 and the other $80,000 it seems to me it is the lawyers that always come out winning. Here is another interesting side of the parents: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Schiavo parents sell list of supporters by kos Tue Mar 29th, 2005 at 09:27:24 PST Wow. "Ghoulish" is definitely the word that applies. The parents of Terri Schiavo have authorized a conservative direct-mailing firm to sell a list of their financial supporters, making it likely that thousands of strangers moved by her plight will receive a steady stream of solicitations from anti-abortion and conservative groups. "These compassionate pro-lifers donated toward Bob Schindler's legal battle to keep Terri's estranged husband from removing the feeding tube from Terri," says a description of the list on the Web site of the firm, Response Unlimited, which is asking $150 a month for 6,000 names and $500 a month for 4,000 e-mail addresses of people who responded last month to an e-mail plea from Ms. Schiavo's father. "These individuals are passionate about the way they value human life, adamantly oppose euthanasia and are pro-life in every sense of the word!" Privacy experts said the sale of the list was legal and even predictable, if ghoulish. www.dailykos.com/story/2005/3/29/122724/208
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Post by Exildo Wonsetler Briggs III on Apr 1, 2005 0:27:14 GMT -6
Schiavo parents sell list of supporters Give's a whole new meaning to "Schindler's List," eh? These people are the most disgusting trash to walk the face of the Earth! ............Bob
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