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Post by danimal on Mar 26, 2005 16:49:52 GMT -6
I personally would have no problem with injecting the lady with enough IV potassium to stop her heart. That will never happen, however. The right-to-lifers would shit in their pants and go on a freekin' rampage. As far as her soul is concerned, I hope God has taken it to Heaven and she hasn't had to endure the HELL of an existence that her been her "life" for the past 15 years. I don't know about you Danimal, but I believe my God is compassionate and doesn't allow someone to suffer due to the shortsightedness of those who can not accept reality, but DEMAND they and everyone else live in a fantasy-land where by some miracle a missing cerebral cortex that houses higher cortical function will magically grow back. Actually, I'm beginning to wonder if Terri doesn't have more of a brain than her parents and that MORON Randall Terry. What a FREEKIN' IDIOT he is! Look out folks! Terri is going to DIE soon and ALL HELL is going to break lose from these MORON right-to-lifers. BATTAN DOWN the hatches! ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) ................Bob That's BATTEN down the hatches Doc. Battan is somewhere in the South pacific.
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Post by danimal on Mar 26, 2005 16:56:58 GMT -6
Danimal, there is so much BULLSHIT here that I don't even know where to begin. So I'll just say one thing. Show me those folks who are mentioned in your post as supporting the right for Terri to live, and I'll show you someone who is a right-to-lifer. That includes several of the docs and nurses who have provided "testimony." These idiots all have an agenda. Those who don't have an agenda and simply see things objectively see a lady in a persistent (hmmm.....15 yrs long enough for "persistent" or maybe we need 16?) vegetative state who has lost much of her cerebral cortex and has a snowball's chance in Hell of getting better. Some folks just can't handle the truth. I see that as THEIR problem! ...................Bob I was only trying to make the point that Bullshit can counter Bullshit. There is no such thing as real truth. I used to think there was. After this week, I'm not so fucking sure anymore. Islamic extremists would call the guys who plowed the planes into the WTC heroes. Hell, I have a friend who firmly believes that we never went to the Moon. It all depends on who you talk to.
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Post by Merlot Joe on Mar 26, 2005 17:06:40 GMT -6
I understand that Terri is Catholic. I am told that one of the tradtions in that faith is to be given last rites before death. As I understand it, the compassionate Mr. Schaivo is not even allowing her to have last rites. But then again, maybe that was included in the last wishes that Mr. Schaivo heard her say. Maybe Terri said "Hey Mike, if I croak, don't even worry about that Cathiolic Bullshit...just barbacue my ass and dump my ashes someplace, ok?" Yes it is. But only if you are practicing Catholic and wish them If not there is no law that says you have to. I am Catholic, and if I was to go in the next several hours, no last rights here. Yes Dan, may be they did talk about it. Not uncommon for a couple to discuss those types of issue. Maybe she did tell him no last rights. Maybe she did say BBQ my ass. I told my wife those exact words. I also told her that if she was to wheel my dead ass into the church, that I would crawl out of my coffin and walk the hell out of there. So see Dan, couples do discuss those issues. They do know what their spouse wants and do not want. Anyone that says they don't is just plain full of shit. Tell you something. Joe
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Post by danimal on Mar 26, 2005 17:44:59 GMT -6
Yes it is. But only if you are practicing Catholic and wish them If not there is no law that says you have to. I am Catholic, and if I was to go in the next several hours, no last rights here. Yes Dan, may be they did talk about it. Not uncommon for a couple to discuss those types of issue. Maybe she did tell him no last rights. Maybe she did say BBQ my ass. I told my wife those exact words. I also told her that if she was to wheel my dead ass into the church, that I would crawl out of my coffin and walk the hell out of there. So see Dan, couples do discuss those issues. They do know what their spouse wants and do not want. Anyone that says they don't is just plain full of shit. Tell you something. Joe Yeah, yeah. whatever. I'm out of here. I can't take this anymore. You guys win. Happy?
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Post by Exildo Wonsetler Briggs III on Mar 26, 2005 21:50:23 GMT -6
That's BATTEN down the hatches Doc. Battan is somewhere in the South pacific. No doubt a beautiful tropical paradise with naked women roaming the beaches for my viewing pleasure! ;D ...............Bob
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Post by Exildo Wonsetler Briggs III on Mar 26, 2005 22:00:00 GMT -6
I understand that Terri is Catholic. I am told that one of the tradtions in that faith is to be given last rites before death. As I understand it, the compassionate Mr. Schaivo is not even allowing her to have last rites. I have to admit, I think this is a bad decision on the part of Michael Shiavo. I have no idea whether he believes in God or Religion or not, but given all that has happened, letting her have last rites seems to be something that could hurt no one. I wish I knew exactly what has caused this incredible bad blood between him and Terri's parents. It seems to be a driving force that knows no reason.....for both sides. No doubt there were mistakes made on both sides. As far as I'm concerned, the GOOD thing is this woman will soon enter the Kingom of Heaven and can live for all eternity there. That doesn't seem so bad to me. ................Bob
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Post by RumAndCoke on Mar 26, 2005 23:44:22 GMT -6
.....I have no idea whether he believes in God or Religion or not, but given all that has happened, letting her have last rites seems to be something that could hurt no one. ... ................Bob According to CNN tonight and the husband's lawyer it was agreed when the judge ruled that the feeding tube could come out that Teri would (and DID) receive Holy Communion and Extreme Unction (aka Sacrament of the Sick aka Last Rites) at the time the tube actually came out. There was also a provision that she could receive both sacrements one more time before death (and according to Catholic Cannon Law up to 4 hours after death). This second set of sacraments would be performed by the Hospice chaplain with the parent's Monk friend having the option of attending if he wished. Teri's husband has stated that he will abide by this decision as shown by his allowing of the first set of sacraments when the tube was actually pulled out. By the way, for the non Catholics....... FYI Having the Sacraments a second time while you are dying doesn't make it "stick" any more than having it once. Interpretation and personal opinion.... She's HAD them within the last week. Doesn't NEED them again.
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Post by DT on Mar 27, 2005 4:08:46 GMT -6
Stick with your Guns Dan. You have a great opinion here. Just not a popular one. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) psssst..... Then again if ya can't stand the heat..... Get out of the kitchen!!!!! ;D
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Post by Guest on Mar 28, 2005 0:00:52 GMT -6
So what if Congress is got involved with this? What's the problem? Didn't President Bill Clinton get involved with the Elliot Gonzales case in 2000? Didn't he thumb his nose at the local Florida government and pull that kid out by force? Didn't Clinton get involved in a family issue that he had no business sticking his nose into? The only thing different here is that the Republicans are doing it now. Don't Blame Bush. If you're going to blame Bush and not blame Clinton, you're just being a goddamn hippocryte.
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Post by Merlot Joe on Mar 28, 2005 8:36:38 GMT -6
So what if Congress is got involved with this? What's the problem? Didn't President Bill Clinton get involved with the Elliot Gonzales case in 2000? Didn't he thumb his nose at the local Florida government and pull that kid out by force? Didn't Clinton get involved in a family issue that he had no business sticking his nose into? The only thing different here is that the Republicans are doing it now. Don't Blame Bush. If you're going to blame Bush and not blame Clinton, you're just being a goddamn hippocryte. Talk about a day late and a dollar short(or a brain cell short). Why don't you read the whole thread every post. I think it covered the subject pretty damn good. Second two completely different issue's. Have the guts to register so people know who you are, instead of just doing a Pearl Harbor attacked on someone. Even since I am pretty sure who it is. Joe.
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Post by Chicago Jake on Mar 28, 2005 15:59:37 GMT -6
Seems like everybody has a blog these days. Warning: do NOT click this link if you are easily offended or do not have a sick sense of humor. If you click and are offended, do NOT blame me, YOU are the one who clicked it!......Jake www.livejournal.com/users/terri_is_risen/
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Post by Exildo Wonsetler Briggs III on Mar 28, 2005 18:18:19 GMT -6
Seems like everybody has a blog these days. Warning: do NOT click this link if you are easily offended or do not have a sick sense of humor. If you click and are offended, do NOT blame me, YOU are the one who clicked it!......Jake Damn there are some sickos on that blog! I guess it takes all kinds. ..............Bob
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Post by Merlot Joe on Mar 28, 2005 20:16:37 GMT -6
Damn there are some sickos on that blog! I guess it takes all kinds. ..............Bob Sickos is being nice. They are down right fucking nuts. Some of them need to be locked up. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) Joe.
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Post by DT on Mar 29, 2005 1:23:54 GMT -6
LMAO at these two comments
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Post by Ardbeg... innit on Mar 29, 2005 6:32:50 GMT -6
LOU ??!!??!! Is that you... LOU??!! ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) Editted to say: OK I AM bad... Lou if youre lurking you know I wish you were back in action
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Post by Exildo Wonsetler Briggs III on Mar 29, 2005 18:18:09 GMT -6
Editted to say: OK I AM bad... Lou if youre lurking you know I wish you were back in action I still can't believe Lou and Lucky got that pissed off, but to each his own. I miss his rants. But what we need is some idiot laimbrained Fundamentalist Christian Right-to-Lifer with less cerebral cortex than Terri Shiavo to enter stage left (whoops! RIGHT!) and provide a counter-argument to WHY Terri's soul is not better off in Heaven than the Hell that is her current existence (assuming she is still alive). Any takers? ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) ................Bob ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by Chicago Jake on Mar 29, 2005 18:28:46 GMT -6
....WHY Terri's soul is not better off in Heaven than the Hell that is her current existence (assuming she is still alive). .... Bob, your argument does not hold water. By your logic, ANYONE whose life is unpleasant would be better off dead and in Heaven. Paralyzed? Kill yourself and go to Heaven! Alzheimers? Kill yourself and go to Heaven! Hangnails? Heartbreak of psoriasis? Pimple on your nose? Fuck it, off yourself and go straight to Heaven! Do not pass Go, do not collect $200, just shuffle off this veil of tears and pop right through those pearly gates! What, you're all still here? Get cracking, people, DIE! Don't you know your life sucks? If you don't have the guts to do it yourself, have your spouse do it for you. See, Bob, your logic only leads to insanity. Now you tell my where I'm going wrong......Jake
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Post by Exildo Wonsetler Briggs III on Mar 29, 2005 18:41:48 GMT -6
Bob, your argument does not hold water. By your logic, ANYONE whose life is unpleasant would be better off dead and in Heaven. If your life is unpleasant, please tell me what is wrong with heading to Heaven? After all, Heaven is this glorious place where you will live for all eternity. Am I wrong? ..............Bob
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Post by Chicago Jake on Mar 29, 2005 19:00:47 GMT -6
Well, according to the Catholic Church you are (I don't know what other religions teach). Killing yourself, or killing someone else, is a mortal sin, and you not only don't go to Heaven, you can't even be buried in hallowed ground. The church teaches that only God can take a life, so you just better play the hand your dealt and don't fold till God calls you home.
I'm not saying I believe all that (nor am I saying I don't), I'm just pointing out that we'd ALL be dead and hoping for Heaven, a la Jim Jones and his famous Kool-Aid Party, if we followed your logic......Jake
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Post by Merlot Joe on Mar 29, 2005 20:27:34 GMT -6
Dam you two, I thought we already covered all that shit.!!!!! IMHO you are better off dead if you are unable to keep yourself alive without medical life giving equipment. ie. heart machine, breathing machine, food feeding machine, or any other machine that they would plug into your body to substain life for an extended period of time. In that type of case yes your spouse should have the right to check you out. Again IMHO. But again IMHO it is your right to check out when ever you want to. You don't need anyones permission. It's your life if you want to end have a nice day!!!! ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/shocked.png) In this case have the guts to do it yourself. ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/shocked.png) Joe.
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Post by Chicago Jake on Mar 29, 2005 23:43:59 GMT -6
....IMHO you are better off dead if you are unable to keep yourself alive without medical life giving equipment. ie. heart machine, breathing machine, food feeding machine, or any other machine that they would plug into your body to substain life for an extended period of time. .... So if you are a diabetic, no insulin injections for YOU!! If you have high blood pressure that would give you a stroke, no beta blockers for YOU!! If you have kidney failure, no dialysis for YOU!!! If you have cardiac arrhythmia, no pacemaker for YOU!!!!! If you have a heart attack, no stent for YOU!!!!! If you are born with a bad heart valve, no artifical valve for YOU!!!! Joe, where does it end? Many of us would be dead in our 30s without mechanical help......Jake
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Post by Merlot Joe on Mar 30, 2005 1:07:07 GMT -6
So if you are a diabetic, no insulin injections for YOU!! If you have high blood pressure that would give you a stroke, no beta blockers for YOU!! If you have kidney failure, no dialysis for YOU!!! If you have cardiac arrhythmia, no pacemaker for YOU!!!!! If you have a heart attack, no stent for YOU!!!!! If you are born with a bad heart valve, no artifical valve for YOU!!!! Joe, where does it end? Many of us would be dead in our 30s without mechanical help......Jake Jake, Read what I wrote. Those items don't qualify for what I wrote. A machine Jake. I made no mention of pills, shots, or short term medical care. Let's make it clear one more time. Any machine that would sustain life, in which one would be permanently bed ridden in a vegetative state of nothing. Let me ask you one question Mr. Jake. Would you like to lay their, shitting on yourself, not knowing what the fuck was going on, unable to communicate, feed yourself, or wipe your own ass? As Metallica says in their song "One" Oh God,help Me Hold My Breath as I Wish for Death Oh Please God Help Me Here's the video. launchtoday.launch.yahoo.com/player/bandwidth.asp?cid=1&vid=2144771&tw=mtvLet the 15 second add play then the video comes up. Joe.
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Post by Chicago Jake on Mar 30, 2005 11:43:05 GMT -6
No, you didn't say "permanently bedridden" or "unable to communicate" the first time, you just said "a machine". So that would mean someone on dialysis might as well be dead, or someone using an insulin pump. I disagree with that.
Now bedridden and unaware, that's another story. I can see where SOME people would want to take the pussy way out and off themselves in that case. Not me. I'll take my chances here, enjoy dreaming about the pretty nurses who are giving me sponge baths, and die when my body eventually wears out, which will be plenty soon enough, thank you very much......Jake
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Post by Merlot Joe on Mar 30, 2005 11:58:13 GMT -6
Now bedridden and unaware, that's another story. So what do you call Terri.?She ain't exactly dancing the jig and quoting shakespear know is she? ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) And Jake if you want all those tubes stuffed down your throat and up your ass and everyplace else that's your rights. ;D ;D If your out of it you won't know if the nurse's are pretty or not!!! ;D ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/shocked.png) ;D Could be a male nurse giving you a sponge bath there old boy. ;D ![:'(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cry.png) ;D I'll take the easy way out if that what it really is. ;D ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png) ;D Joe.
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Post by That English Guy on Mar 30, 2005 12:28:02 GMT -6
Would you like to lay their, shitting on yourself, not knowing what the fuck was going on, unable to communicate, feed yourself, or wipe your own ass? Sounds like a typical 'morning after' a heavy night on the booze here ![:'(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cry.png) ;D ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) Simon
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Post by Merlot Joe on Mar 30, 2005 12:52:52 GMT -6
Sounds like a typical 'morning after' a heavy night on the booze here ![:'(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cry.png) ;D ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) Simon Dam Simon you guys really go after it over there don't you. ;D ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/shocked.png) ;D Joe.
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Post by Chicago Jake on Mar 30, 2005 12:53:04 GMT -6
Good point, Simon. I've seen many people in that exact condition at Hedo. They would have taken a dim view of being killed for it, though.......Jake
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Post by super secret agent man on Mar 30, 2005 13:11:47 GMT -6
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Post by Merlot Joe on Mar 30, 2005 13:21:25 GMT -6
Good point, Simon. I've seen many people in that exact condition at Hedo. They would have taken a dim view of being killed for it, though.......Jake Yeah but I heard a few last year say I wish I was dead the next morning.!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D Or at least they thought they were................. ;D Including me one morning. Joe.
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Post by That English Guy on Mar 30, 2005 13:23:43 GMT -6
That theory takes some beating ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) ;D Simon
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