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Post by Christinko on Dec 24, 2008 11:56:04 GMT -6
Joe, in my trying to garner guest support for a e-mail letter writing campaign to pressure management to ch-ch-change a policy is not to say I hate Hedo. Similarly, just because I see problems in a relationship doesn't mean I'm dropping the relationship (be it with a friend or my country). I'm not that black and white. Ignoring perceived problems isn't my style either.
Yes, the towel card thing is another straw on the camel's back, but Hedo has FINALLY fixed the Piano bar problem so that is a step in the direction I like.
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Post by New Mama on Dec 24, 2008 12:04:16 GMT -6
And what WTF does John McCain have to do with towels at Hedo? Big difference between who is going to be President of the USA and if I have or don't have a towel at Hedo to wrap my ass in. But it looks like the towel is more important to you. If Hedo has so many inefficiencies and keeps screwing up on so many simple items as you mentioned, why do you keep going back 39 times? Usually after 1 or 2 trips if people notice so many mistakes and dislikes they don't return, but 39. What's the matter, are you a slow learner? McCain? It's a simple parallel. You were all wigged out about McCain when he wasn't even elected and didn't ever look like he would be elected. We all have questions and concerns about a new towel program. I’m not loosing sleep over this. You’re so full of shit. Just where did I imply that towels at Hedo were more important than who is President. You are being an ass about this….but I still like you. It’s possible that I will pack a towel …. for the first time in 20 years. I’d prefer to use my luggage weight limit with something more Diva like. I’ll wait and see if I get a response to my questions sent to Kevin. I don’t mind the towel program that much if I can have two at a time. Most Hedo inefficiencies don't bother me. You don't hear me complain about Hedo too often. Most of the inefficiencies bother me not and sometimes even add to the charm of the place. Just like home....not perfect. I’ve been back 39 times because I like the place. I’m not slow Joe, I’m steady. Anita (not a Queen but a Diva) |
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Post by Merlot Joe on Dec 24, 2008 12:22:57 GMT -6
And what WTF does John McCain have to do with towels at Hedo? Big difference between who is going to be President of the USA and if I have or don't have a towel at Hedo to wrap my ass in. But it looks like the towel is more important to you. If Hedo has so many inefficiencies and keeps screwing up on so many simple items as you mentioned, why do you keep going back 39 times? Usually after 1 or 2 trips if people notice so many mistakes and dislikes they don't return, but 39. What's the matter, are you a slow learner? Most Hedo inefficiencies don't bother me. You don't hear me complain about Hedo too often. Most of the inefficiencies bother me not and sometimes even add to the charm of the place. Just like home....not perfect. Anita (not a Queen but a Diva) Bringo I feel the same. I think many do but there are many that continue to complain to no ends. Hell that place is so far from perfect that I love it. So see we do agree. I feel the same about the new towel rule, but I am not going to go nuts over it until I have been there and tried it. If it bugs me I'll complain until then so be it, it means nothing to me, so I don't understand why everyone is so up in the air over it. Maybe it's just me. Thank you for you answer madam Diva ;D Joe |
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Post by Merlot Joe on Dec 24, 2008 12:30:33 GMT -6
Ignoring perceived problems isn't my style either. Yes, the towel card thing is another straw on the camel's back, but Hedo has FINALLY fixed the Piano bar problem so that is a step in the direction I like. See Chris I don't perceive it as a problem until I have exerienced it myself. Again you can't complain or perceive that your dinner is going to suck until you tried it. JMHO. I am from the school of don't complain until you have tried it. Hell it might work out for the better. On our last trip some newbies couldn't find any towels. It was 10:30AM and they all had already been taken. Denice told the nice lady that you need to be here at 9:30 and grab what you want or else you are out of luck. We had two new one plus our own so we gave them one of our new ones. It would be nice if towels are available all day for late arriver's. Maybe this towel program will work out to everyones advantage. You just don't know until you have tried it for yourself. This is why I am taking the stance that I am. Joe |
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Post by New Mama on Dec 24, 2008 12:47:11 GMT -6
Again you can't complain or perceive that your dinner is going to suck until you tried it. JMHO. I am from the school of don't complain until you have tried it. Joe This begs the question: Will you eat anything before you decide you don't like it? |
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Post by nolaflacav on Dec 24, 2008 12:53:41 GMT -6
The elevator is off line in our building today for repairs. It does not really bother me since our office is on the first floor and neither I nor my clients ever use it. In fact when I do go upstairs to visit another office I take the stairs. But I sure hope they finish the elevator repairs this afternoon so that it makes the building fully functional again and at the same time will make life easier for other people visiting our building.
It also does not personally bother me which way the towel program turns out at Hedo. I will make it work to my advantage regardless of how it is implemented.
But if it makes Anita and Chris happy to have limitless towels than I say so be it. I want to see happy faces when I am at Hedo. It fuels the enjoyment factor of the place.
So if Chris and Anita ain't happy well then I ain't happy either. And I can easily support them in their endeavor as it ultimately really does not affect me.
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Post by Christinko on Dec 24, 2008 13:58:23 GMT -6
Nola, you know that gals like me and Diva just get all wiggly when you talk like that...grin!
Joe--I'm unhappy with the program because I frequently need more than one towel at a time.
The program doesn't allow for that. If it does, then the program would start to be more palatable.
But I still don't want to be hauling heavy wet towels after rain showers. And I don't want to guard my towel from theft. And I don't want to be limited to the hours the dive shack is open. And I don't want to suddenly need a towel in the dining room (perhaps to play a lunchtime game or to sit on a particularly skanky-looking chair) and have to go back to the beach to get mine.
What still is of most concern to me is your direct insulting of me by name calling and your outright belittling dismissal of my opinions. You have not answered to that. You can have a hugely opposite opinion of me all you want--no sweat.
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Post by UAW negotiator on Dec 24, 2008 14:54:49 GMT -6
On my way to Washington to get our Congress folks the raise they truly deserved I took the train and ran into this scenario.
At the start of the trip a steward tells about all the train details, including the showers and points at the piles of towels. Those towels are for showers only, he explains. There are plenty, but not enough to use as pillow or blanket.
The whole car of passengers listens in disbelief.
Enough towels?
Those two small piles?
For all of us?
Come on, we are about 60 passengers here and those 2 small piles should be enough towels for all of us? You would not believe that yourself, would you?
The steward is off to the next car to repeat his story. As soon as he is gone the passengers look at each other. Now, who is going to have a nice shower and who is going to be smelly for the next 20 hours?
The first courageous passenger steps forward. The whole car watches as he takes a towel off the pile and returns to his seat with his trophy. Well, he'll be able to take a shower for sure.
A second passenger follows, a third and a fourth. The piles of towels decrease rapidly. The car is now in a state of panic. Herds of passengers stampede towards the remaining towels. It takes only a few minutes before the last one is gone.
The situation in the next car is completely different. Its floor plan is a mirror copy of my own. Passengers do not face the towels here, they are at the back. They have heard the same story from the steward, but without the image of vanishing piles of towels. So, there was no panic here, no stampede. There are still two piles of towels, enough for everybody that wishes to take a shower.
The shortage did not really exist, it was only perception. Cause and result are mixed here. The image of shortage created shortage. Herds behave strange in the extensive desert.
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Post by Exildo Wonsetler Briggs III on Dec 24, 2008 14:56:31 GMT -6
<munch> <munch> <munch>
Nice to be on the sidelines for once!
<slurp>
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Post by Merlot Joe on Dec 24, 2008 15:26:26 GMT -6
What still is of most concern to me is your direct insulting of me by name calling and your outright belittling dismissal of my opinions. You have not answered to that. You can have a hugely opposite opinion of me all you want--no sweat. Chris please get off the poor little me attitude. Show me when, where, and how I called you a name specifically in any of my post in this thread. ( this is the second time in this thread that I have asked you to do that and you ignored the first one)I have looked them over 3 times to makes sure. If you can't then you are the one that is insulting me by making that statement. Expressing ones opinion that differs from another is not belittling of ones opinions. Ithappens on this board everyday. But I see that it's okay for you to express yours as long as others withhold theirs is they differ from you. If it makes you happy go ahead you can have the floor all to yourself. Thank you for you time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Joe |
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Post by Ardbeg... innit on Dec 24, 2008 15:58:59 GMT -6
<munch> <munch> <munch>
Nice to be on the sidelines for once!
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Post by Christinko on Dec 24, 2008 21:34:00 GMT -6
Sorry guys but you are all a bunch of cry babies over fucking towels!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get a life people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Joe This post comes to mind. |
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Post by Exildo Wonsetler Briggs III on Dec 24, 2008 23:15:22 GMT -6
Chris please get off the poor little me attitude. Joe, forgetaboutit. You're not even close. *I* have the claim on this board for the person who is the most schizoid being such an incredibly nice person *IN PERSON* and, well, what-ever I am here on this here board. Just ask Ms. Jake! I *know* you, and this ain't you, and I'm pretty sure Chris ain't gonna autograph that copy of her book for you. Come to think of it, *I* keep forgetting to bring my books for her to sign as well. DAMN!! Towels . . . . not worth ruining a trip to San Fran when Chris is out there and we all can get together for din-din. Capice?? .............Bob |
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Post by ♥ COVID-19♥ on Dec 25, 2008 0:08:05 GMT -6
I would like to take this opportunity to thank Joe for quite unintentionally giving me the bestest Christmas present EVER!
He really hit the nail on the head with his characterization of her. She's got a glass jaw -- she can dish it out, but can't take it. Oh, sure, she doesn't overtly insult anyone quite that bluntly on the message board -- she's much sneakier about it (and Dr. Bob, that same source YOU referenced in your post can also attest to *my* statement as well). In person, however, she'll think nothing of insulting someone to their face and when her target has the temerity to retaliate, she plays victim.
I'm certainly no psychology expert, but she has always struck me as someone with an acute persecution complex, which is befitting her narcissism. Instead of vacationing at a place called Hedonism, she'd be better off at a place called Narcissism!
Joe, skip those dinners with her -- you'll only wind up with indigestion.
As for me, unfortunately, I'll have to miss the outcome of this saga as I'm now off to Hedo for New Year's (and yes, I've actually packed a couple of my own towels).
Upon my return, I think I'll have to amend that poll where I listed my pick-up lines -- I believe I've just dreamed up a few new ones ... and they're all towel-related.
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Post by Captain Gary on Dec 25, 2008 8:38:35 GMT -6
Well, we went to a Superclubs property this summer with the kids that had the same towel program. We were absolutely dreading it! I could see many $20's headed Superclubs way when the kids left their towel laying around and lost track of it.
In typical Superclub fashion, when we checked in they gave us 6 towel cards and then gave 2 to my mom when she checked in a few hours later! That certainly took the pressure off because all we had to produce at checkout was 6 cards.
Turns out, our worst fears were not realized. The kids did not lose any towels and suprisingly, there was not a lot of rampant theft. The shortage of towels was just as bad as not having the cards, however. You could only exchange towels during the day at the dive shack. My observation, they would tell you "Check back in an hour" 70% of the time. We had a spot near the dive shack and would see this replay many, many times every day we were there.
There was also a bit of a 'Black Market' economy going on. There would be times that people received more towels and/or cards than they were 'entitled' to (like we did). Rather than turning in the excess, everyone would help each other out if they found themselves short of a towel or card at checkout time. These excess cards just kept entering the economy and eventually, no one would ever have to pay the $20 penalty. There were still shortages tough.
We dove everyday that we were there. The dive shack would usually provide you with a towel, above and beyond your allotted one, to take out on the boat with you. This was another source of excess entering the economy.
Final thought: This was not a C/O or nude beach. I'm with Chris and the others that one towel is not enough. A fine compromise, IMO, at Hedo would be to provide 2 towels per guest. If they could keep up with that demand, I would be very happy!
Merry Christmas everyone.
Gary
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Post by Merlot Joe on Dec 25, 2008 10:01:11 GMT -6
Sorry guys but you are all a bunch of cry babies over fucking towels!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Go to the front desk, get a card and they will give you one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Joe Get a life people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Joe This post comes to mind. I know it's christmas but we are waiting for the kids to come to house so I am kiling time. Are you out of your cotton picking mind. The make Prozac honey maybe you better order up a bottle or two. READ the line lady. it says. Read it and read it again lady. It doesn't say Chris it say SORRY GUYS, plus you got upset over cry baby. I am calling you lots of names right know I am just not writing them down. Get some prozac. BB is right you can dish it out but you can't take it. Run and hide behind you poor little me towel . Bob, don't worry you and I will still have dinner when you come to San Francisco. Joe |
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Post by Christinko on Dec 25, 2008 12:01:26 GMT -6
I've hardly run and hid from you, Joe. I've called you out.
I've said my opinion about the towel programs, and I said how I felt about your insult ("guys" = me and Bob and others who are against the program...note the 9 votes) and dismissal ("cry baby") of my opinions.
I haven't had to make ad hominem attacks, which you have done.
I've taken lots of insults on this board, specifically BB's insults--for a couple years. Most of the time I don't respond to the posters' insults--for myriad reasons, but mostly because I'd be embarrassed for myself to stoop to that level (yes, my ego precludes it). I do prefer to make my insults more subtle.
Joe, I had previously respected the way you behaved on this message board so I responded about how I felt about your attack in high hopes that by your understanding of how you made me feel you would ch-ch-change your tack. I was mistaken in my hopes.
God knows, I've always had a healthy ego, as do many folks on this board. That's no revelation. Perhaps I appear narcissistic, especially when judged in contrast to the many people in this world who don't have a healthy ego. I can easily see that being the case.
But when I realize I'm wrong and want to fix a situation, I will try to make up for my weaknesses. Thankfully, I've kept more friends than I've lost, regardless of my many flaws.
Bob, you know I'll be happy to see you in San Francisco.
Joe, I will always do my best to be polite to you.
I wish all of you on TNMC a peace-filled day.
Wayne is flying in tonight, so I've been singing that "All I Want for Christmas Is You" song all morning. Sappy, but true.
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Post by pixiedust on Dec 25, 2008 12:36:07 GMT -6
Merry Christmas Chris! I hope you have a wonderful day with Wayne.
Can't we just agree to disagree here and move on from this ugly situation people - it's Christmas - PLEASE no more...
Respectfully,
Colleen
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Post by Merlot Joe on Dec 25, 2008 14:26:59 GMT -6
Joe, I had previously respected the way you behaved on this message board so I responded about how I felt about your attack in high hopes that by your understanding of how you made me feel you would ch-ch-change your tack. I was mistaken in my hopes. Stating my opinion of this issue is an attack on you. Oh my god you are unbelievable in your thinking. Sorry Chris you are a dish it out and then everyone feel look at me I am being attacked please feel sorry for me when someone barks back. Don't go out of your way to be polite to me kid. I don't except or want any special treatment from you. From this point on this board can have you whole heartily and you can express your opinion all you want. I am done playing your goofy mind games. Joe. |
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Post by Tex on Dec 25, 2008 20:44:23 GMT -6
Merry Christmas Chris and best regards to Wayne.
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Post by Merlot Joe on Dec 26, 2008 1:20:06 GMT -6
Here you go Chris all of these people here have posted at Denny P's and have said basically the same thing I did. Hell there is even a couple that called names like Hedo Nuts Towels Horders that you didn't attack for calling "you" names( I see no difference here than calling a group of people a Cry Baby or Laimbrain Liberials). What's ups with that? Am I an easy one to attack here, because you can get people to feel sorry for poor little old Chris?
I do consider you and others that feel the need for an unlimited numbers of towels every day to be Towel Hoarders or Towel Hogs. Others who pay the same good money as you do, deserve just as must right to one towel as you do to 4 or 5 at any time of the day. We have seen over the five trips people go without towels at 11:00AM because some people have packed off 8 or 10 towels when they are delivered at 9:45AM or when ever. Hell we have seen them all disappear in less than five minutes. Maybe some sort of control so that everyone get a towel or two is needed. You do want to share with other don't you, or are you only concered with Chris's comfort and to hell with everyone else? If you arrive at 4 in the afternoon would you like to have a fresh towel waiting for you? Would you give up one of your clean towels to some one at 3:00PM who just arrived and couldn't find one? We did.
If my differing with you on Hedo's towels policy offends you my bad, my apology and I sincerely mean that. If I offened you by calling you a Cry Baby again my sincere apology. That goes for anyone else here also. I realize that I can go on attack mode but that's the nature of the beast.
Just for your reference here are the post from Denny P's that have the same attitude that I do about the new towel policy, and have pretty much stated the same as I have done. I do expect you to go to Denny P's board and complain to each and every one of them that they have attacked you and your thoughts and also have called you a names.(Hedo Nuts ,Towels Horders) It seems only far.
So here you Chris read them over then go back to Denny's and state you complaints against them. They are all uncut an unedited and can all be verified over at Denny's.
May all the towels that you use at hedo bring you all the comfort that you need to keep you happy.
Joe
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Post by Irish Stu on Dec 26, 2008 5:49:20 GMT -6
The towel situation is obviously a contentious issue, but frankly I don't really get what there is to get SO upset about. We're talking about TOWELS here!!
My experience at Hedo III seems to be similar to that in Hedo II... towels are delivered, those that are lucky grab them, then there are none until the next delivery comes around. Some, like me, grab a couple, others take an armful. Some will hoard whilst others, like me, seem to have a British style sense of 'fair play' and take just what they need for their immediate use with a thought for ensuring there are towels left for others to enjoy.
There have been many times when I've not been able to get a fresh towel and I can state with 100 percent truthfulness that it has NEVER ruined my vacation, my day, or even the moment.
People tend to hoard because of a lack, expected lack, or perceived lack, of a commodity. To my post-Christmas booze-addled mind the solution is simple... ensure that there is an abundance of towels to meet the needs of ALL guests, and DO NOT whatever you do moan at me about the the current economic situation meaning you will give me less service for my money!! I work hard for my money, the last six months have been quite a struggle at times and the next six look like being just as bad, but if I tell my clients that my prices are going to remain the same but they will have to put up with cutbacks in service they WILL go elsewhere. If I choose to spend my hard earned money with you then I do not expect a reduction in the service you give me, and if you cannot achieve this then close up shop and find yourself a business model where you can!!
However, to keep things in perspective, we are talking about TOWELS here!! Healthy debate is a good thing, it allows us to vent when we need to and to also (hopefully) gain an insight into others points of view. But falling out with each other in a debate about TOWELS!! And at Christmas!! For fucks sake!!
Simon (who is soon going to the pub to enjoy the rest of Boxing Day in a, thankfully, towel-free environment)
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Post by Christinko on Dec 26, 2008 9:39:05 GMT -6
I appreciate your apology, Joe.
I did not feel that the folks on Dennyp's were attacking me or referring to me. The one guy who I did think was attacking me wasn't worth my attention because his insults have long been veiled toward me on some false perception he has about me. I've never knowingly met him. I've met you and thought we were cordial acquaintances.
I don't take more towels than I need. I once called myself a towel hoarder on DennyP's as a feeble joke that some people took seriously. But I'm not a towel hoarder unless you think by my having 2-3 towels in my closet or in use in my room makes me a hoarder.
Kevin Levee told me the real problem with the dearth of towels is the theft and the laundry breakdowns.
I've been lucky enough to date to seldom be without access to a few beach towels during the day when I've been at Hedo. I also happen to be physically inordinately weak and could only hold four at a time, which pretty much meets my needs for the day, but I seldom need to take that many.
The lack of bananas, beer, JD, jerked chicken, and many other items don't bother me because I don't use them normally. I just choose not to comment here or on Dennyp's about those items or the people who need them. I acknowledge they are important to other people; I don't criticize them for their desires. Again, I thank you for your apology.
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Post by Merlot Joe on Dec 26, 2008 15:30:18 GMT -6
I think what sets me off is the constant bickering by people on items like banana's, booze, meals and yes one more time drum roll please Towels   . It's almost non stop. I don't know of any resorts(we have been to many others), hotels, motels, cruise ships, resturants......................I could go on and on here that are perfect. I have just never seen so many people complain about every thing and any thing from one place, but yet they keep going back and when the get home they get on Denny's board and then bitch about the same things again. Why do they keep going back? Hey no place is perfect, it is I could afford it, so we always make do with what we have, be it Hedo or some other place. No banana's so what, no JD so what, no towels so what, no Beer, well wait a minute I have to draw a line some place. Hey that happened for about 4 hours at Delroys at the 2007 WWWW, it wasn't a pretty sight. I am tired of hearing/reading more negative about it than positives. We both feel the place is a big positive us and would like to see it kept that way. I will still say that I think the card program will be all right if it is handled properly by both the resort and it's guest. We have had towel programs at other resorts and some of them very strict you could even say anal about it, but we made it work. Hey my only big complaint now is that you have to stand in line to get scrambled eggs. Granted the others could be a little runny, I didn't have to wait for them. Okay who disagrees me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D Joe |
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Post by Ardbeg... innit on Dec 27, 2008 8:06:03 GMT -6
Hey my only big complaint now is that you have to stand in line to get scrambled eggs. Granted the others could be a little runny, I didn't have to wait for them. Okay who disagrees me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D Joe Not going to disagree with you on that Joe... I was there the morning that got put into action. It was sort of disorienting at first. I thought is was a mistake, or they were slow coming out, so I had an omelet instead. Next morning the same thing. It wasnt until the third day that they got a second "egg station" going and took a little pressure off of Charlie that it started to work with some sort of fluidity. Like Chris, I am not a towel hoarder, I prefer to have 2 or 3 but do carry over towels from one day to the next if they arent grungy or soaking wet. Yes I do reserve beach chairs for friends, vut they are all in place by 10:00am at the latest. I must point out however, on my last trip, there were plenty of towels to be had, in fact some of the towel stations still had new towels available at 8:00 in the morning, so I never felt there was a supply issue at all. BTW- Joe, my earlier comment about suing Superclubs regarding the "All Inclusive" thing was meant as a joke... an exaggeration of reality into the surreal. |
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Post by innit Geezer on Dec 27, 2008 8:24:59 GMT -6
BTW- Joe, my earlier comment about suing Superclubs regarding the "All Inclusive" thing was meant as a joke... an exaggeration of reality into the surreal. It's no joke to me. I already secured Bob as my lawyer. I can feel all that cotton softness already.  |
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Post by Merlot Joe on Dec 27, 2008 9:47:16 GMT -6
BTW- Joe, my earlier comment about suing Superclubs regarding the "All Inclusive" thing was meant as a joke... an exaggeration of reality into the surreal. It's no joke to me. I already secured Bob as my lawyer. I can feel all that cotton softness already. That's not the cotton softness Gary, it's Bob greasing you up so that when he gets ready to stick it in you won't feel a thing. Good lawyer trick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D Joe |
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Post by Merlot Joe on Dec 27, 2008 9:53:08 GMT -6
As we run from towels to eggs. Gordon since you happen to be present when it stated did anyone say why their board of health shut down the eggs like that? Had anyone been sick that you heard of? Many places that serve brunch have the eggs like that. I wonder if it was country, parish, or just local thing?
We do a large breakfast with our Lions Club at the 2 day hot air ballon days here and we keep the scambled eggs like and the board of health has never had a problem with us during their inspection.
Not that I care but if they looked at Charlie's and the others omelet stations they keep using the same dish to break the eggs in. After a while that is not good.
Joe
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Post by innit Geezer on Dec 27, 2008 11:36:39 GMT -6
Fuck that! I trusted him, he'll be released from retainer.  |
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Post by pixiedust on Dec 27, 2008 12:02:46 GMT -6
As we run from towels to eggs. Gordon since you happen to be present when it stated did anyone say why their board of health shut down the eggs like that? Had anyone been sick that you heard of? Many places that serve brunch have the eggs like that. I wonder if it was country, parish, or just local thing? We do a large breakfast with our Lions Club at the 2 day hot air ballon days here and we keep the scambled eggs like and the board of health has never had a problem with us during their inspection. Not that I care but if they looked at Charlie's and the others omelet stations they keep using the same dish to break the eggs in. After a while that is not good. Joe I'll chime in here. I learned a long time ago NOT to eat the scrambled eggs - I ONLY get them from Charlie (as in past some of the others cooking omelets have left the center runny too - yuk!). I spent the day in the bathroom after eating the scrambled eggs in the morning and have NEVER eaten them again. Colleen |
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