Dixie Chicks Cancel 14 Shows

[JustIan]

That will teach them to fuck with the USA. Vote with your wallet, I always do.

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[Kawaii Kaiju]

"...despite strong sales of their latest album, "Taking the Long Way."

The album, which has more of a rock edge than their previous releases, spent several weeks at the top of the country albums chart and has sold more than 1 million copies."

Sounds like about a million people agree with you

One of these days, Ian, you are really going to have to explain to me why you think saying "some of us are ashamed the president is from our home state" was/is fucking with the USA.

Zilla

[JustIan]

A million kids who probably don't even care what's going on in the world. It's sad but my 16 year old daughter refuses to even listen to the news. My oldest is in the army reserves. I didn't vote for Bush but I support him because I support the USA. United we stand, divided we fall. It's a pretty simple concept. I buy American and I won't spend my money on someone like the the Dixie Chicks. BTW you forgot this quote... "County radio stations dropped them from their playlists and have been slow to welcome them back"

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angelaandian said:

It's a pretty simple concept.

Simple concepts for simple minds.

[JustIan]

Most people aren't rocket scientists.

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Somewhere in there, I'm sure you had a point, but I'll be damned if I'm going to put in the time and effort to figure out just what the hell it was.

[Kawaii Kaiju]

angelaandian said:

A million kids who probably don't even care what's going on in the world.

Supposition. My parents bought the album. They read papers, discuss current events, etc, etc. My mother is a Democrat, and my father is a Republican. They both enjoy the album, especially the lullaby song.

It's sad but my 16 year old daughter refuses to even listen to the news. My oldest is in the army reserves. I didn't vote for Bush but I support him because I support the USA. United we stand, divided we fall.

so are you saying you feel that any voicing of disagreement amounts to sedition?

would you have felt the same way about any artist who talked smack about Clinton when he was being persecuted/prosecuted during his reign as Presidential Authority Figure?

It's a pretty simple concept. I buy American and I won't spend my money on someone like the the Dixie Chicks. BTW you forgot this quote... "County radio stations dropped them from their play lists and have been slow to welcome them back"

And I respect you for that. You stand behind what *you* believe is right, and you stand behind it with your wallet. That is very commendable. I'm just pointing out that other people are doing the same thing. It could be that there are many smart, educated people out there who feel that speaking your mind is pretty much what America stands for (not blindly supporting the Presidential Authority Figure) and they are voting with their wallet as well.

And yes, about that quote "County radio stations dropped them from their play lists and have been slow to welcome them back"..... Country radio stations are big business. They got very vocal support when they dropped the Dixie Chicks from their play lists. I would guess that until they get very vocal complaints that they aren't playing the Dixie Chicks, they will continue to take the safe route. That sounds like good business sense to me. But, since the country radio stations aren't playing the Dixie Chicks, and one would guess they aren't heavily talking about the concerts, don't you think *that* might have something to do with the low concert ticket sales? After all, if you are a country music fan, and you listen to the radio for your possible concert information, you might not even hear the Dixie Chicks are scheduled to play to be able to make the decision about whether you want to spend you money supporting them or not. Big Business has already made that decision for you.

Honestly, I was only interested in hearing your reasoning about *why* saying you are ashamed the President is from your home state is "fucking with the USA". If I read what you are saying correctly it is because you feel any sign of disagreement with the President is unAmerican. Does that sum it up?

Zilla

[Chicago Jake]

Zilla, I think you are missing a key point. Disagreement with the government is every American's right, indeed it is almost a duty when the issue is important enough. But the reason the Dixie Dykes have gotten so much shit is that they did it on FOREIGN SOIL in front of a FOREIGN AUDIENCE. Is that morally different? I don't know the answer, but I do know that it gets people up in arms a lot more than the usual domestic pinhead spoutings of Alec Baldwin or Babs Streisand.......Jake

[Tex]

Their opposition to Bush was not what fucked them with the country fans (Willie Nelson doesn't like Bush and makes no bones about it), it was the venue and the disrespect.

[Kawaii Kaiju]

Jake and Tex, so what you are saying is that you think most Americans (or at least Country Music Fans) feel it is okay to "diss the Prez" as long as they only do it at home?

My thoughts are it wasn't like a British audience was more likely to be filled with Muslim Extremists who might get aide and comfort from the statement. In fact, it probably wasn't until country music fans got all uppitty about it and it became "national news" that the Muslim Extremists would have even heard about the incident. I can't imagine that Unveiled Materialistic American Women Singers are high on the Muslim Extremist entertainment charts I certainly might be wrong about that though. Allah might like Female Country Singers...

My guess, and this is all strictly conjecture, about the reasons behind the "national censure" of the Dixie Chicks for what they said was ....i think Americans needed a good whipping boy at the time. Someone they could hate and revile. Someone to help them get all their negative feelings out so they weren't all bottled up inside. Everyone needs a whipping boy, after all We have several here at tnmc.

Zilla

[JustIan]

As far as Clinton goes it was a personal problem. I do not feel any sentiment either way regarding him.

I have my ticketmaster account set up to let me know when every event at the venues near my house go on sale. I so not depend on advertising for concert information.

The reason I feel that The Dixie Chicks were fucking with the USA is that on the eve that we are going to war Natalie made those comments. Bush was being backed by almost all of congress and the majority of Americans. At that point a verbal assault on Bush is an attack on all of the USA. I stress that these are my feelings hence my original post. Jake also make a valid point. One can only guess as to the reasons for the animosity toward them.

edited to add:
So as not to confuse this is in reply to Zilla's post. A few other posts were posted while I was typing.

[Chicago Jake]

Nope, that wasn't it, Zilla. There are and always have been plenty of whipping boys to go around (Michael Moore alone could keep the whipping hands busy for decades if that was all we needed). It is the foreign thing.

Look at it this way: If my brother is being an idiot, I'll tell him that he's an idiot, and we'll probably fight about it until we iterate to a solution. But there is no way I'll go out and tell OTHER people that my brother is an idiot. You keep that shit inside the family........Jake

[Kawaii Kaiju]

admin said:

Nope, that wasn't it, Zilla. There are and always have been plenty of whipping boys to go around (Michael Moore alone could keep the whipping hands busy for decades if that was all we needed). It is the foreign thing.

Look at it this way: If my brother is being an idiot, I'll tell him that he's an idiot, and we'll probably fight about it until we iterate to a solution. But there is no way I'll go out and tell OTHER people that my brother is an idiot. You keep that shit inside the family........Jake

Okay, i can see that. I don't agree with it, but i can see it and understand it. Thanks

Zilla

[JustIan]

The more I think about it you are right about the foreign thing Jake.

[Chicago Jake]

And I think you are right about the timing thing, too, Ian. What a big happy love fest!......Jake

[Irish Stu]

I'll throw this into the pot. I went to see REM last July on the UK leg of their world tour. During the concert Michael Stipe made some pretty hard hitting remarks about George Bush, and at a guess he probably made those comments every night of the tour. He has also made numerous anti-Iraq war/anti-Bush statements to the British press. Have REM been taken off American radio stations' playlists?

Simon

[Chicago Jake]

Yes, but it was long ago and had nothing to do with politics. They just aren't that popular anymore.....Jake

[Tex]

Her remark about being ashamed to be from Texas didn't play well here either. As it turned out, the feeling was mutual.

[Irish Stu]

admin said:

Yes, but it was long ago and had nothing to do with politics. They just aren't that popular anymore

Maybe Jake, but the principle is just the same. I've been to a lot of concerts since I was a teenager and there is nothing uncommon about American bands touring over here badmouthing whoever has been president at the time. Seems to be a way to ingratiate themselves with the locals. Anyway, I'm just playing devil's advocate here as I'm curious as to why the Dixie Chicks' (a band most people here hadn't, and still haven't heard of) remarks caused such outragea, yet others do not.

Simon

[Chicago Jake]

It's probably because we're all sexists in this country and just hate them for being uppity chicks... ;D

Seriously, Simon, I don't know the answer. It is an interesting conundrum, though......Jake

[Tex]

samnsi said:

admin said:

Yes, but it was long ago and had nothing to do with politics. They just aren't that popular anymore

Maybe Jake, but the principle is just the same. I've been to a lot of concerts since I was a teenager and there is nothing uncommon about American bands touring over here badmouthing whoever has been president at the time. Seems to be a way to ingratiate themselves with the locals. Anyway, I'm just playing devil's advocate here as I'm curious as to why the Dixie Chicks' (a band most people here hadn't, and still haven't heard of) remarks caused such outragea, yet others do not.

Simon

I suspect it was because their primary US market was in the South, an area generally far more antagonistic to such remarks than the general US population. Their remark about being ashamed of being from Texas particularly rankled those from her home state. It was like Ozzy Osbourne pissing on the Alamo twenty years ago, it will never be lived down, IMHO.

Edited to add: Ozzy's stunt might be partially overlooked due to ignorance and drunkeness, but Natalie looked like she was cold sober and deliberate.

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samnsi said:

Have REM been taken off American radio stations' playlists?

Simon

Who is REM?

Can we all agree that as of this moment, 'da Chicks have lost income from concerts that apparently ain't gonna happen? AND, can we agree if they hadn't dissed the Prez on foreign soil, they wouldn't be facing the criticism they are? Can we agree that they SUCK?

................Bob (Ok, two out of three ain't bad, though I opine they DO SUCK!!) ;D

[Chicago Jake]

Group spokeswoman Kathy Allmand said Monday that the total number of North American dates remains the same, with several Canadian cities added in place of the U.S. shows.

I'm sure they'll be welcomed with open arms.....Jake

[Irish Stu]

bobnrhonda said:

samnsi said:

Have REM been taken off American radio stations' playlists?

Simon

Who is REM?

In their day back in the early 90's REM produced some outstanding songs IMHO. I haven't liked much that they've released since, so agree with your 'Who is REM?' comment. I went along to their concert last year to hopefully hear all their old hits... it was a sellout and they didn't disappoint. Saw them again at Live 8 a couple of weeks later and they were one of the best bands of the day.

Simon (who doesn't like bands mixing political statements with their music)

[innit Geezer]

At first I read "Chicks with Dicks" in the subject line and I concluded that the "Politics and World Events" section won't be such bad a place to hang out after all.

[Tex]

garyandgeri said:

At first I read "Chicks with Dicks" in the subject line and I concluded that the "Politics and World Events" section won't be such bad a place to hang out after all.

This reminds me of a story some jacked up guys from the gym told me. A girlfriend of one of them was taking steroids to prepare for a competition and her clit grew til it was about 2.5 inches. This qualifies as a dickipoo.

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tex said:

2.5 inches.

I'm wondering if it's possible to have Clit Envy.

[innit Geezer]

If I came across a 2.5 inch clit my next move would be climbing out the window. I'm not having a sword fight with a woman.

[marknmaia]

I have never understood why entertainers think I want to spend my hard earned money to listen to them spout off on any political subject ( even one I agree with ). Just entertain me.

I also don't understand why they think anything they say will sway me one way or the other. I don't look to anyone in the entertainment industry for political enlightenment. Just as I don't look to any member of congress for a toe tapping tune.

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This might explain what compelled Ashcroft to sing for us all.