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Post by Christinko on Jan 18, 2005 18:49:53 GMT -6
I just read a book on the history of circumcision, and it reinforced my thinking that circumcision is one whacky surgery.
Besides--uncut is more fun on many levels! Generally speaking:
---More sensation to the head of the cock (less numb dick problems which I've found many cut men to have after 10-20 minutes of fucking).
--Less ouchy friction to women during fucking because guys can rock in their own skin without ripping up yours.
--Easier to give handjobs with all that extra skin to play with.
And the cocks look the same as cut guys do when erect.
My bro & sis in law say if they have a baby boy he will be circumcised....it's their biz, but that makes me cringe.
The book denounced with facts all the so-called health-related benefits of removing a male's foreskin, so does that leave anything beyond American tradition to keep doing the surgery?
"Johnny has to look like daddy"? What's so bloody important about that? My tits don't look like my mommy's and I know I'm normal (a relative term for folks on this board).
As a nation, we denounce the practice on women, but we accept it as normal for men. What gives?
Do we need re-education to make something we once that of as good into something that isn't needed and has more ill effects than good effects (according to the book).
I think about how many of us didn't grow up as nudist types, but realized that that thinking (that naked was wrong) was backward. Is this question about circumcision another one of those social questions?
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Post by Chicago Jake on Jan 18, 2005 19:33:27 GMT -6
Chris, you make some good points, and I'm not sure which way I dangle on this issue (snort), but there is one very strong argument in FAVOR of circumcision: It keeps you from looking too much like a Frenchman!.....Jake
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Post by Hazelita on Jan 18, 2005 19:39:52 GMT -6
The book denounced with facts all the so-called health-related benefits of removing a male's foreskin, so does that leave anything beyond American tradition to keep doing the surgery? Since I am not a guy ... and I since I don't plan on having children (read: boys I might have to circumcise) ... I really haven't learned the "facts" that would denounce the practice as having any health benefits. Personally, I do not like the look of an uncut penis. And I do not agree that it's easier to give a hand job on a cock that has all that extra skin flapping around. But that's just me. Wow, we hardly ever disagree. Do ya still like me anyway, 'Stinko? |
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Post by Tex on Jan 18, 2005 19:53:53 GMT -6
Maybe if the cut look comes into vogue, a new plastic surgery will spring up restoring foreskins.
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Post by Chicago Jake on Jan 18, 2005 21:08:55 GMT -6
The "Lee Press-On Foreskin!".....Jake
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Post by Merlot Joe on Jan 18, 2005 21:37:14 GMT -6
It all comes down to a matter of choice. Parental choice that is, since the young boy doesn't have a say in it. I do know a friend that got circumcised as an adult, for medical reasons and he told me he would never forgive his parents for not doing it when he was baby. He was in pain for about 2 weeks everytime he moved, let alone talk about taking a leak.  Of course, I didn't make it any easier by ragging on him about it for two weeks either. ;D Joe. ps. I would like to have seen this subject posted on the other board.  |
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Post by Chicago Jake on Jan 18, 2005 21:49:55 GMT -6
...ps. I would like to have seen this subject posted on the other board.... Go ahead and try it ;D ;D ;D .....Jake |
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Post by Harrybutt on Jan 18, 2005 21:55:12 GMT -6
It is definitely a decison that needs to be thought out by parents. There are many reasons to circumsize, not even most are medical. Social is a big reason. Also, it ain't what it used to be. When my youngest son got it, it weren't quite so bad. Hell, I doesn't remember mine at all. There have been a few times in my life when I was glad not to "stand out" as being "different" that way. I ain't never seen a feller kidded cause he was circumsized....
I think it is a big hullabaloo about nothing.
What IS the deal Doc....should it be outlawed?
Oh, I know, since GWB is ...so should every other man in order to be a true american.....
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Post by Tex on Jan 18, 2005 21:57:57 GMT -6
Oh, I know, since GWB is ...so should every other man in order to be a true american..... Would you care to share with the class just how you came by this knowledge?  |
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Post by Harrybutt on Jan 18, 2005 22:09:58 GMT -6
I doesn't have a clue.  Butt whatever he is cir or un I'm is sure it is unpatriotic to be different. I remember that being a plank in the repub platform |
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Post by Ardbeg... innit on Jan 19, 2005 6:39:38 GMT -6
Chris Dear... Good to see you here... BTW I see above your smiling face that you are still a Virgin (but probably not for long ;D )
Gordon
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Post by Ozmale on Jan 19, 2005 8:34:27 GMT -6
Getting your kid circ'd is Patriotic??
No offence folks, but I am now damned glad I aint a Yank!
When one of my little ones (just born) was in the nursery at hospital there was this poor little new born in there who had just been "snipped". I have never heard a baby cry like that EVER. We had already decided not to snip ours but that told us we had made the right choice.
Gotta say: With forskin - more sensitive, more fun!
Ozmale
PS: Do I have to get circ'd before my next visit to the US to prevent me being refused admission as a dangerous alien?
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Post by Harrybutt on Jan 19, 2005 8:44:47 GMT -6
Be that as it may, when we had our little one done, they didn't do no "snippin". He had little or no problem and was happy and content back in the room. Thank God for "advances in medicine". ;D
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Post by Chicago Jake on Jan 19, 2005 10:24:30 GMT -6
...Getting your kid circ'd is Patriotic??.... Oz, he was just kidding. The constitution guarantees the right to a foreskin. But only for males.....Jake |
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Post by Chicago Jake on Jan 19, 2005 10:25:52 GMT -6
....I do know a friend that got circumcised as an adult, for medical reasons.... Joe, that would be interesting to know more about. What were the medical reasons? It would be the first actual fact posted in this thread......Jake |
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Post by Exildo Wonsetler Briggs III on Jan 19, 2005 17:25:36 GMT -6
Our firm has a case we are defending right now where the doc went to cir the baby, got everything set up, "OK, a little cut here......WHOOPSSS!!!!"
Now you know the REST of the story! ;D ;D
(Baby did fine......had the piece sown back on, no problem!)
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Post by Merlot Joe on Jan 19, 2005 18:07:57 GMT -6
Joe, that would be interesting to know more about. What were the medical reasons? It would be the first actual fact posted in this thread......Jake He was continuing to have very serious infections in his urethra and bladder. I remember he saying something about excessive foreskin, and moisture infections from urine. Since he had the circumcision no more problems. That was 15 years ago. He had been fighting it since he was 5 years old and when he turned 30 he finally had enough. Joe |
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Post by Harrybutt on Jan 19, 2005 18:28:10 GMT -6
Mebbe dat's why yore doc is gettin sued. He's using old technology instead of the safer new shit? My son had no cuttin with his circ.
A few seminars for the docs on latest techniques could save those poor, poor insurers lots of dough.....psssst, tell'em not to bleed people either!
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Post by Christinko on Jan 19, 2005 20:43:35 GMT -6
Yes, sometimes a circumcision is a good route to go to solve a problem, but when the baby or man has no medical problem I can't justify it beyond calling it mutilation for the sake of tradition.
For Jews, the ancient bris ceremony (circumcision) is on the 8th day after the birth and represents a blood/flesh covenant with g-d.
In fact, the moil, until this century, used his sharpened fingernail to tear off the foreskin and then sucked the blood off with wine in his mouth to disinfect the wound.
For Muslims, it's similar (both derive their religious basis from Abraham) but the cutting can happen at any time depending on the culture.
The aborigines in Australia also have a long tradition of circumcision that is unrelated to religion and less formalized of a process.
Before 1850, mostly just Muslims and Jews and aborigines were circumcised. Few other societies practiced it.
Americans started doing it at the end of the 1800s if they were wealthy because some docs were touting it as a healthy practice that solved all sorts of ills (like snake oil).
By the early 1900s the poor folks in the USA wanted to look like the rich folks so they started doing it too.
(Sorta like how tans became in vogue in the 1920s because the leisure class had time to play outside and the workers were stuck in the factories, not the fields where they used to get tan, and then the rich white folks liked their lily white skin.)
More FYI:
I know a doc who was sued because he didn't take enough of the foreskin off the baby. The suit died in court with the doc not paying a penny, and the parents brought the baby to another doc to recut some more.
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Post by Ozmale on Jan 20, 2005 5:09:29 GMT -6
The aborigines in Australia also have a long tradition of circumcision that is unrelated to religion and less formalized of a process. Well, from what I've been told its a lot more than just a foreskin removal....more like a reworking!! Only something for the real pain seeking extroverts amongst us. (The exact details are also supposed to be a secret known only to post puberty males but I saw something about it in a medical article that discussed the reasons standard condoms didnt work well in aboriginal communities - I'll leave that to your imagination!) I must say that my use of the term "snip" was only colloquial but I have to ask those proponents of the painless circ...How is it done without cutting something or (nobody take offense at this cause its a joke) in the prepackaged society that is America today are all males born with easy detach ziplock foreskins? Ozmale Who still thinks there aint no real reason to remove it unless the doctor gives you a good one! |
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Post by danimal on Jan 20, 2005 14:51:58 GMT -6
Joe, that would be interesting to know more about. What were the medical reasons? It would be the first actual fact posted in this thread......Jake I'm told I had a partial one done...I had a hernia operation a few months after birth and I guess they needed to hold down the genitals so they put stuck a pin in the foreskin to hold it down while they did the hernia thing... The upshot of all this is that the pin prick (pardon the pun) grew as I did, so now I have a natural piercing ! Um...this isn't too much information is it?  |
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Post by JustIan on Jan 21, 2005 9:10:59 GMT -6
I'm told I had a partial one done...I had a hernia operation a few months after birth and I guess they needed to hold down the genitals so they put stuck a pin in the foreskin to hold it down while they did the hernia thing... The upshot of all this is that the pin prick (pardon the pun) grew as I did, so now I have a natural piercing ! Um...this isn't too much information is it? So why don't you wear any jewlery at Hedo? Ian |
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Post by JustIan on Jan 21, 2005 9:14:15 GMT -6
I was circumcised and I couldn't walk for a year after the procedure.  ;D |
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Post by Tex on Jan 21, 2005 9:58:38 GMT -6
I was circumcised and I couldn't walk for a year after the procedure. ;D Ian is a smartass. (And a cold one-I saw the weather report this morning) ;D |
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Post by DT on Jan 21, 2005 10:27:14 GMT -6
As in colder than a Well Diggers Ass in the Klondike Anyhooo, Let the kid decide when he reaches puperty on what body part he wishes to get rid of. BTW... Saint Circum hospital is hiring. They are looking for folks to work the Circumcision Ward. Five bucks an hour and all the tips you can collect |
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Post by danimal on Jan 21, 2005 10:40:03 GMT -6
So why don't you wear any jewlery at Hedo? Ian Naw...I'm in the pool so much I figure no one'd notice...besides, I'd be afraid of rust |
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Post by Hazelita on Jan 21, 2005 16:57:42 GMT -6
Good jewelry doesn't rust. |
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Butt whatever he is cir or un I'm is sure it is unpatriotic to be different. I remember that being a plank in the repub platform 
;D