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Post by Ardbeg... innit on Feb 10, 2005 6:58:46 GMT -6
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Post by Tex on Feb 10, 2005 7:41:41 GMT -6
He must love the lady - he's had a relationship with her long enough. Just wish them luck and hope it works out. The royal family lives in a fishbowl, and unlike our celebrities and politicians, this is not by their choice.
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Post by Harrybutt on Feb 10, 2005 8:02:22 GMT -6
I wish them happiness.
Butt, I got to say..the dude is rather odd. I just can't imagine, how on earth, Camilla wins over Diana. Only explaination may be that LOVE thing, which, in and of itslef, is inexplicable.
Wonder how Harry and William take to Camilla and vice/versa?
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Post by Merlot Joe on Feb 10, 2005 8:26:05 GMT -6
Where's Simon this morning, he lives there maybe he has the inside scope? ;D ;D
Joe.
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Post by Irish Stu on Feb 10, 2005 8:44:57 GMT -6
I wish them happiness. Butt, I got to say..the dude is rather odd. I just can't imagine, how on earth, Camilla wins over Diana? It's an odd dude indeed that would sneak out at night from his beautiful 21 year old wife to carry on an affair with Camilla. Simon
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Post by Tex on Feb 10, 2005 8:46:23 GMT -6
Charles has some ears on him.
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Post by Irish Stu on Feb 10, 2005 10:03:14 GMT -6
Where's Simon this morning, he lives there maybe he has the inside scope? ;D ;D The only thing I can offer is Camilla's resemblance to Rod Hull who was a children's tv star. Rod is no longer with us as he was killed a couple of years ago when he fell off his roof after climbing up there during a storm to adjust his TV antenna. The emu lives on... Simon
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Post by Chicago Jake on Feb 10, 2005 10:25:37 GMT -6
From the above referenced article:
WTF? I thought the Anglican church was invented so that King Henry 8.0 could get divorced and remarried?
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Post by Ardbeg... innit on Feb 10, 2005 10:49:55 GMT -6
I KNEW Henry 8.0 and Charles, he isnt Henry 8.0 (good ol' Hank, when he made a decision he stuck to it!)
Actually I wish them the best, its a difficult life to live... but I am still for the reinstatement of the House of Stewart.
Editted to add: I'd vote for the emu.
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Post by Irish Stu on Feb 10, 2005 10:51:48 GMT -6
You're right Jake that's exactly what he did. Henry wanted to annul his marriage to Catherine of Aragon, because she didn't bear him a male heir to the throne, and marry Ann Boleyn instead. The pope refused his request so he split the English church from the Roman Catholic church. Rather than the pope, the king was now spiritual head of the English church and could therefore grant his own annulment. As they are both divorcees the prospect Charles and Camilla getting married has caused a lot of debate and controversy, so I guess that's why they've waited so long before getting married. news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4254383.stmSimon
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Post by DT on Feb 10, 2005 13:45:01 GMT -6
Uh HUh, at 21 Diane was the fairest and sweetest of them all. yummy yum yum The best to Charles.
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Post by Ardbeg... innit on Feb 11, 2005 11:10:16 GMT -6
From the above referenced article: WTF? I thought the Anglican church was invented so that King Henry 8.0 could get divorced and remarried? Found out the answer to this.. Apparently the Anglican church (and being Episcopalian I find this an odd difference with the US version) has no problem with divorce, and no problem with divorcees remarrying EXCEPT when it involves two divorcees remarrying each other. I dont understand, I am just the messenger. The problem in England is that the King/Queen is the secular head of the Anglican church, hence P Charles would be head of an organization in whose rules he is in direct violation... maybe he will have better luck defining the word 'is'.
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Post by Irish Stu on Feb 11, 2005 12:08:50 GMT -6
You're almost there. The church is opposed to divorcees marrying each other only if their ex-spouses are still alive. Prince Charles' ex-wife is dead of course, so this wedding, whilst controversial, has the full blessing of the church. However they have chosen to marry in a civil ceremony rather than a church or cathedral which they are entitled to do, which is odd as he will one day be head of the church.
Simon
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Post by Tex on Feb 11, 2005 12:42:41 GMT -6
As a previously divorced Episcopalian married to a Catholic, I ran afoul of several of "the rules". I don't know about the Anglican/COE/Episcopal hierarchy but one thing that I learned about the Catholic Church was that enforcement of various canon laws depended heavily on which jurisdiction you are in. I found it easy to get things done in Saigon that would require reams of paperwork sent to Rome if done in Texas.
I have also found that church personnel vary considerably in their attitudes. One Catholic priest here is a dour fellow who sees nothing but problems. Another local priest (here for a while from Ireland) is the kindest, most helpful, coolest (he goes to Super Bowl parties and hits the beer and jokes around) guy you could ever meet. I will miss him when he has to go back to Ireland. Guess which one took a small church and made it big and which one took a big church and made it small.
If I were Archbishop of Canterbury (fat chance), the church would stick to helping the poor, comforting the sick and grieving, counseling the troubled etc. and overlook a few of the archaic rules.
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Post by DT on Feb 14, 2005 13:22:18 GMT -6
Simon, Since Diana is still in alot of folks hearts. You think the folks of England will accept Camilla as a princess
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Post by luckyhedo on Feb 14, 2005 13:24:18 GMT -6
She will not be given the title of Princess nor will she become Queen of Charles is crowned King.
He is one weird person, imagine wanting to come back as a tampon so he could be inside of Camilla. Stupid idiot he would then only after another 3 hours to live before he was flushed in the toilet.
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Post by DT on Feb 14, 2005 13:28:58 GMT -6
WOW Lou, Thanks and what a visual that was.
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Post by Irish Stu on Feb 14, 2005 13:54:50 GMT -6
Simon, Since Diana is still in alot of folks hearts. You think the folks of England will accept Camilla as a princess Like Lou said she won't be a princess. As Charles is the Prince of Wales they would have had to make her the Princess of Wales, the same title Diana had. They wisely chose not to do this because of the outcry this would certainly have caused. IMO they are making a mistake getting married and should have stayed as they are and carried on keeping their relationship discreet. Diana once said in an interview after she and Charles seperated 'There are 3 people in this marriage'. Now Camilla has put her head above the parapet it will be open season on her. Everything from her dress sense and hairstyle to her love of hunting will be compared to Diana and criticized. Her wedding to Charles, her wedding dress... the comparisons will never end. There will be 3 people in this marriage too, Charles, Camilla and the ghost of Diana. Simon
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Post by Tex on Feb 14, 2005 15:25:53 GMT -6
We were under the weather Saturday night and stayed home and watched SNL. The had a great "interview" with Charles and Camilla (they were licking each other in front of the camera). Fabulous.
Simon, I hate to say this (and have the greatest respect for the queen), but from here, Charles looks like the weak stick of the British monarchy.
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Post by luckyhedo on Feb 14, 2005 16:25:45 GMT -6
With such imbreeding in the Royal family it is no wonder Charles is the way he is that combined with parents who never showed any love to their children. Can you imagine being away for six months from your son as a small child and then upon seeing him shaking his hand.
Thank God Prince William has half of the genes of Diana in him.
I agree with Simon, Charles should just have continued with his relationship with Camilla, unless he has decided not to become King and if so he should say so now.
The Good Sister
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Post by luckyhedo on Feb 14, 2005 16:27:11 GMT -6
The "visual" was from the Good Sister, Lou is really sick today so I was having some fun when I should have been working.
The Good Sister
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Post by RumAndCoke on Feb 14, 2005 20:22:27 GMT -6
A man who marries his mistress creates a job opening!!
As well, the headlines of the paper should have read:
CHARLES TO MARRY CAMEL
(not a handsome woman at all).
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Post by Chicago Jake on Feb 14, 2005 20:45:50 GMT -6
A man who marries his mistress creates a job opening!! Excellent point. Why would a woman marry a man who she KNOWS cheats on his wife? Yet I've seen it happen many times over, and rarely to a happy conclusion.....Jake
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Post by Merlot Joe on Feb 14, 2005 21:13:14 GMT -6
No matter all the gossip that is being done here, and in the papers and TV, Is the man not entitled to be happy? Do he not have the right as we all do? If marring Camilla makes him happy, then thats all that counts. Fuck everything else.
And to tell you the truth, he looked happy on TV the other day. ;D
Joe.
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Post by Hazelita on Feb 16, 2005 6:07:02 GMT -6
Is the man not entitled to be happy? Do he not have the right as we all do? If marring Camilla makes him happy, then thats all that counts. Yes, he has the right to be happy. And like you said, he finally LOOKS happy. But people won't forget how shabbily he treated Diana and are even less likely to forgive him. Unfair? Perhaps. Deserved? Better believe it!
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Post by DT on Feb 16, 2005 8:01:51 GMT -6
Excellent point. Why would a woman marry a man who she KNOWS cheats on his wife? Yet I've seen it happen many times over, and rarely to a happy conclusion.....Jake Yup it be cheating any way you looked at it. Camilla must think since the cheating was just for her it wasn't cheating. I also agree on what HB said earlier "I just can't imagine, how on earth, Camilla wins over Diana. Only explaination may be that LOVE thing, which, in and of itslef, is inexplicable." I like Charels. Why? I dunno, but I like him and wish him the best.
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Post by Merlot Joe on Feb 16, 2005 8:19:41 GMT -6
shabbily he treated Diana and are even less likely to forgive him. Unfair? Perhaps. Deserved? Better believe it! I agree. Joe.
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Post by Irish Stu on Feb 16, 2005 11:58:08 GMT -6
But people won't forget how shabbily he treated Diana and are even less likely to forgive him. Unfair? Perhaps. Deserved? Better believe it! I hate to say it but Charles married Diana to get some fresh blood into the royal bloodline and produce 'an heir and a spare'. Nothing more, nothing less. I don't believe for one minute that she unaware of this or in any doubt that he wasn't in love with her. Even at the press call to announce their engagement when he was asked if they were in love he replied "Whatever love is". Her family were close to the royals and knew exactly how they live their private lives. Diana's father Earl Spencer would have known full well that royal men would almost be considered strange by the family if they didn't have a mistresses or two and of the rumors and speculation about the parentage of one of Charles' siblings and of the existance of at least one illegitimate 'royal' child. I can't imagine that he didn't tell his daughter exactly what she was getting into and try to groom her for what to expect, but no doubt, like any young woman might, she thought he would grow to love her. Yes I feel sorry for her because her misery was genuine, but it was a straightforward exchange, in return for producing a son and heir she got to be a princess and eventually Queen and live a life of unimaginable wealth and luxury. He could have had his mistresses and she her lovers so long as they were discreet. Sadly for poor Diana she wanted Charles' heart too, if she'd just stuck to the 'rules' she'd still be a princess and alive today. Ironically Charles got his son and heir and is now finally marrying the woman he's loved for over 30 years. It's caMILLA TIME Simon
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Post by Exildo Wonsetler Briggs III on Feb 16, 2005 19:46:20 GMT -6
Sadly for poor Diana she wanted Charles' heart too, if she'd just stuck to the 'rules' she'd still be a princess and alive today. Ironically Charles got his son and heir and is now finally marrying the woman he's loved for over 30 years. It's caMILLA TIME Simon Diana had MUCH more class than that idiot Charles. Yet I do feel sorry for Diana, marrying such a jerk, and to think she though one could marry for love. How SILLY! OTOH, I can SEE why Clinton has his women. One look at Hillary and THAT REASON becomes clear! ;D .............Bob
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Post by Irish Stu on Feb 17, 2005 9:46:26 GMT -6
Diana had MUCH more class than that idiot Charles. Yet I do feel sorry for Diana, marrying such a jerk, and to think she though one could marry for love. How SILLY! Thank you Bob, your tact and sensitivity comes as ever like a breath of fresh air. You should count your blessings though, we'll still be stuck with our 'idiot' after 2008... Simon
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