F**K KIDS on PLANES!!

[Exildo Wonsetler Briggs III]

I am back from an overnight trip to NYC. Since I fly NWA mostly, I came home through Detroit. Sittin' at the gate in Detroit, the pilot says, "Folks, we're fixing the left brake and they are almost done. In about 5 minutes, we should be signing off on the mechanics report and we're on the way to Tampa."

Two hours later, we are STILL sittin' there!!

I'm sittin' in the last row in first class, and in the seats just opposite across the isle is a mom with her daughter, about 3 years old who is SCREAMING at the TOP OF HER LUNGS!!

Her mom puts on a DVD on their player and I get to listen to CARTOONS for the next couple of hours.

Meanwhile, the SHITHEAD 5 year old sittin' behind me thinks it's just COOL to KICK the SHIT out'a me.....and does so on a regular basis. I'm about to get up to "nicely" ask this kid's mom to "CONTROL YOUR FUCKING KID!" when I see the guy next to me is sound asleep...I am in the window seat and he's in the isle. How the hell HE can sleep through this is unknown. I pick up my book to read figuring if I just lose myself in it, all will be well.

BASTARD DUMBASS TRIP FROM HELL!!

If I was POTUS, I'd BAN all kids under 5 years old from planes.

Or at least keep the shitheads out of first class.

One more thing.

The food SUCKED!!!

..............Bob

[jo]

Golly gee, you are a treat, aren't you!

Jo

[Chicago Jake]

NYC to Tampa, via Detroit? What kind of itinerary is that? Maybe you need to crowbar open your wallet and fly a real airline for a ch-ch-change.

Re: kids on planes, I agree with you. They tend to suck. But I wouldn't have let the sleeping dude in the next seat stop me from getting up and confronting the inattentive Mom. I miss the days of smoking sections, which were usually pretty much kid-free........Jake

[Exildo Wonsetler Briggs III]

admin said:

NYC to Tampa, via Detroit? What kind of itinerary is that? Maybe you need to crowbar open your wallet and fly a real airline for a ch-ch-change.

Dude......

I fly business, and use the miles for *pleasure.*

It ain't my fault NWA flys me from NYC through Detroit.

I just got a ticket to Hong Kong WORLD BUSINESS CLASS using my miles . . . amounts to about 9 grand US bucks!!

What is that saying??

Kapice???

...............Bob (whose Italian ain't so good!)

[Exildo Wonsetler Briggs III]

jo said:

Golly gee, you are a treat, aren't you!

Jo

Wanna lick me???

[Merlot Joe]

Bungee cord the little shit and their parents to the wings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If one of my kids would have kick the seat in front of them on a plane, their ass would have been red for a week. Don't blame the kid, blame the parent for letting them get away with it.


Joe.

[Cherbunny]

I flew from Germany back to the states then to LA with a one year old.

Everytime my daughter even thought about going *waaaaa* I shoved a bottle in her mouth.
I went thru a dozen diapers, but that kid was quiet.

After 20 hours on that charter flight, the folks in the seat in front of us turned around and freaked out. They had no idea that a one year old was behind them.

And that's the way I wanted it...and expected it.

Drill Sergeant Mom

[justheidi]

you go mom!!!!!! baby Benadryl works wonders too!!!!!!!

[nemo]

justheidi said:

you go mom!!!!!! baby Benadryl works wonders too!!!!!!!

Pre-flight doping....What a concept!

Maximum Respect,

Nemo

[justheidi]

very safe and Dr recommended!!!!!!!!!! LOL

[innit Geezer]

I was always concerned about my children being disrupting anywhere in public. It's strange though, because I'm very tolerant of other peoples children going wild as long as the parents are trying to contain them.

[Tex]

I used the benadryl on mine. Worked well.

[Ardbeg... innit]

I am getting a sense of deja vu here...

Best to contract with McDonalds to put a Play Area at the back of the plane, plastic balls, netting, plastic slide (with the slide pointed out the tail)

[Irish Stu]

admin said:

NYC to Tampa, via Detroit? What kind of itinerary is that? Maybe you need to crowbar open your wallet and fly a real airline for a ch-ch-change

A couple of year ago we flew with NWA to the US to visit various friends from Hedo. Each leg of our travels took us through Detroit and our itinery went like this :

London > Detroit > Dallas

Dallas > Detroit > NY

NY > Detroit > Orlando

Tampa > Detroit > London

Over two weeks we must have got to know every shop, bar and restaurant in the Detroit airport!!

Simon

[Liz of Chris & Liz]

I've had that same 5 year old in the seat behind me several times.....why must she always kick the seat? I think she hates me. Her Mom is an ass, I gave her "the look" several times, but Mom just didn't get it.....Mom's these days!!!!

OTOH, on a flight to visit my Mom I was seated next to a Mom with an almost 2 year old. The Mom asked me right off if I wanted to see if I could move seats, if I was bothered by kids on planes, etc. Of course I usually am bothered by them...but there wasn't anyplace else to move to. I was thoroughly impressed with this new Mom, she kept her child entertained, quiet & polite the entire time. I thanked her for doing such a great job!

Benadryl is great for the wee ones. Anything that can help that ear pressure is good! Valium is another option. For the passengers of course.

[Irish Stu]

garyandgeri said:

as long as the parents are trying to contain them.

Those are the operative words. It's when the little shits are running wild and their parents are doing nothing to stop them that I get mad.

Simon

[Ardbeg... innit]

samnsi said:

admin said:

NYC to Tampa, via Detroit? What kind of itinerary is that? Maybe you need to crowbar open your wallet and fly a real airline for a ch-ch-change

A couple of year ago we flew with NWA to the US to visit various friends from Hedo. Each leg of our travels took us through Detroit and our itinery went like this :

London > Detroit > Dallas

Dallas > Detroit > NY

NY > Detroit > Orlando

Tampa > Detroit > London

Over two weeks we must have got to know every shop, bar and restaurant in the Detroit airport!!

Simon

Detroit and Minneapolis are THE MAJOR hubs for NWA, along with Memphis, I dont think its possible to fly NWA and NOT go through one of those airports.

[Cherbunny]

Back in my day, I never heard of giving the little darlings Benadryl.

I'll make sure and remember that when my kids make me a grandma.

[Lady Irie]

Bob, I'm with you on that one. That has got to be one of the most annoying things on a plane. Kids irritate the hell out of me when they are ill-mannered, and the parents do nothing about it. (Especially running in restaurants!!) They always have, even when mine were little, so this has nothing to do with attitudes ch-ch-changing in my "old age".

Gotta tell you about a recent trip to California last week. It was last minute, so I was stuck in the middle seats both ways. Going there, the guy next to me snored for 5 hours straight to the point where the stewardesses were apologizing to me, and would have offered to move me had there been an open seat, which there was not. Even through earplugs this guy could be heard. I even tried poking him with my elbow a couple of times to get him to move, and that didn't work.

On the return, I had this gay guy at the window seat who decides he's claustrophobic. The poor guy is chattering incessantly, making it difficult to watch the movie since every time he spoke, I had to remove the headset. He must have gotten up and down from his seat about five times. The last time, I follow him out to the bathroom to see him go into the back, and speak to apathetic stewardesses who didn't really seem to care that this guy was in a full blown panic attack at this point. When we sat back down, I had the girl in the aisle seat ch-ch-change with him thinking it might make him feel less closed in, and she informs me she gets claustrophobic, but since she took an anxiety pill she should be OK. I start to laugh, because I take the same just to fly. The gay guy wants to know what we take, and I could feel my evil twin emerge. I pull out a couple of little pills for him, explaining what is happening with his fight and flight response, and the little darling slept all the way to LGA. Nice peaceful trip, and I didn't have to worry he was going to flip out, and try to open a hatch in the air!

[Lady Irie]

nemo said:

Pre-flight doping....What a concept!

You know, there's nothing wrong with in-flight doping either!

[viperess]

Coming home from Australia a coupla years ago, we were two rows in front of the 'loud family'. I was lucky enough that fatigue had set in and I curled up--yes, curled up in the seat(coach).Our son did the same. Slept on and off for 14 hours! But every time I woke up, I could hear the little girl WHINING that she didn't feel good. Bill was pissed...think it might have something to do with being 6'3, in a coach seat, with a cracked rib and pinched nerve in his neck
Anyhoo, she got louder and louder until......we're on approach to LA when she cuts loose and throws up on mom and herself AND her seat!!!! Holy Shit! With 425 people on the plane that is one chain reaction I don't want to experience. Her brother started getting loud, mom is trying to clean the girl up and threatening her son. My brother n law and his family are the row between us....I thought their daughter was going to be next.
John wakes up, starts saying (rather loudly) 'WHAT"S THAT SMELL?' I didn't tell him so he wouldn't yak..................We had beer for breakfast.....
DD

[Kawaii Kaiju]

While I agree wholeheartedly that unruly children on a plane are one of the banes of my existence, (in fact it's reason number 57,825 why i don't have children), here is a different point of view that i found thought provoking.

"When I got comments on these journals (which were usually, in general, positive), I occasionally received an angry complaint about people who “can’t control their kids.” This phrase generally comes from a person really in love with the idea of his or her own intelligence.

I still can’t get over this phrase. I dwell on it a lot. So I will write about it only one more time, and then shut the fuck up about it.

You CANNOT CONTROL your kids. You can influence their behavior. You can shape it, slowly, over a period of years, to make a sensible, bearable human being. But you CANNOT CONTROL your child.

Why? Well, I will answer that reasonable question with another of my own. What would it take for ME to control YOU?

What would it take for me to control you? To jump at the sound of my voice, to obey my whims? Suppose I walk into the room and start barking orders at you. What would it take to make you obey them?

My guess, if you are a sensible human being, is this. For you to utterly submit to my control, I would have to tie you to a chair, and I would have to start torturing you. I would have to make you undergo so much fear and pain that your sense of humanity snaps. That you will do anything, say anything, shrink yourself into a tiny ball of former humanity, to keep my rage from lashing out.

That is what it would take for me to control you. And do not think, for a second, that a small child is any less a human, any less independent at the start of the process, than you.

I sometimes read about people who try to control their children. About the series of increasingly extreme steps they take. After reading these stories in the paper, people usually say, “And where the fuck was protective services while that was happening?”

I’m not controlling my child. I’m molding her. It takes time, and it involves going out in public. I never take her to nice restaurants, just pizza places, BBQ joints, and the like. And sometimes, during this process, she will annoy you. God knows she is annoying me. But the way you learn to do something is by trying to do it. Sometimes you fail, but you get better next time.

But she is better with every passing month, and soon she will be a pleasant human. And if you have a problem with it and can’t cut us any slack, then please give me the honor of being the first to invite you to go fuck yourself.

In a quiet, private place, please. I’m trying to parent here."

www.ironycentral.com/todvol32.htm

Zilla (who feels very sorry for the loud whiney girl whose attempts to communicate her internal distress to her parents were unheeded, and also for the other people on the plane who had to endure her limited vocabulary and attempts at communication)

[viperess]

Good point, Zilla.

Our 16 year old has been a true test.....a couple weeks ago, we all had to step back(after a very bad weekend) and start over. We had become so closed minded as to how he was to...be....that we were all at each others throats.
Now we've come to an understanding and so far it is working out for all.
We are seeing his desires are not always ours and accepting them and he is seeing us as people.
Gotta keep reminding ourselves what being 16 was like.
I understand that he won't tell me everything going on in his life, but don't be rude to us.
DD

[Kawaii Kaiju]

DD,

I love that you can take an opinion that isn't your own, listen to it, acknowledge any validity you can find in it and still maintain your original opinion without taking offense that someone else's opinion isn't your own!

Zilla (kudos where they are due!)

[Bob not logged in]

>>>You CANNOT CONTROL your kids. You can influence their behavior. You can shape it, slowly, over a period of years, to make a sensible, bearable human being. But you CANNOT CONTROL your child.

Why? Well, I will answer that reasonable question with another of my own. What would it take for ME to control YOU?<<<

One of the finest examples of bullshit rationalization I've ever seen. Technically speaking, *NO ONE* can "control" someone else in the concrete fashion presented by that author. He is playing semantics. For that matter, most adults realize "controlling" a child is a far different matter than "controlling" an adult.

To add to the story, the young sister of the boy who was constantly kicking my seat was about 6 years old. Though her seat was in coach, she was running up and down the isles into first class. In fact, she enjoyed stopping right by my seat to "play" with the 3 year old screeming witch'ett and then repeatedly jump up and down in the same spot for a minute or so.....the entire plane shuck.

Now I could be wrong, but I'd bet pretty much my yearly salary that her Mom, had she wanted, could have stopped this behavior, pretty much as she could have stopped her daughter from taking a shit right in the middle of the isle . . . and I don't think either would have been placed under the curious wording of "controlling" her child. I think it would have been showing common respect for the other passengers, actually. I also suspect had I jumped up and started to beat the shit out of the little child, others would have done a reasonable job at "controlling" my rude behavior by likely throwing my ass off the plane, which would have ended the "problem."

Ain't control wonderful??

................Bob <----------the above IMHO, of course, and not meant in any way, shape or form to be taken as fact or to represent the opinions of the American Medical Association, American Psychiatric Association or Bonehead Opinions Anonymous.

You *CAN*

[Kawaii Kaiju]

Bob said:

>>>You CANNOT CONTROL your kids. You can influence their behavior. You can shape it, slowly, over a period of years, to make a sensible, bearable human being. But you CANNOT CONTROL your child.

Why? Well, I will answer that reasonable question with another of my own. What would it take for ME to control YOU?<<<

One of the finest examples of bullshit rationalization I've ever seen. Technically speaking, *NO ONE* can "control" someone else in the concrete fashion presented by that author. He is playing semantics. For that matter, most adults realize "controlling" a child is a far different matter than "controlling" an adult.

To add to the story, the young sister of the boy who was constantly kicking my seat was about 6 years old. Though her seat was in coach, she was running up and down the isles into first class. In fact, she enjoyed stopping right by my seat to "play" with the 3 year old screeming witch'ett and then repeatedly jump up and down in the same spot for a minute or so.....the entire plane shuck.

Now I could be wrong, but I'd bet pretty much my yearly salary that her Mom, had she wanted, could have stopped this behavior, pretty much as she could have stopped her daughter from taking a shit right in the middle of the isle . . . and I don't think either would have been placed under the curious wording of "controlling" her child. I think it would have been showing common respect for the other passengers, actually. I also suspect had I jumped up and started to beat the shit out of the little child, others would have done a reasonable job at "controlling" my rude behavior by likely throwing my ass off the plane, which would have ended the "problem."

Ain't control wonderful??

................Bob <----------the above IMHO, of course, and not meant in any way, shape or form to be taken as fact or to represent the opinions of the American Medical Association, American Psychiatric Association or Bonehead Opinions Anonymous.

You *CAN*

DrBob,

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Zilla

[innit Geezer]

When our daughter was young, Geri and I frequently went to a quiet casual Italian restaurant. One evening at this place our daughter was acting like a complete psycho in a high chair. She was loud, a general mess with her food and at the end of dinner, dumps a large Sprite all over table. As we scrambled to contain the soda, she tilts her head back (still in the high chair) and screams "FUUUUUCK!!!" at the top of her lungs.

Geri whisked her out of the restaurant and I waited for the check. I felt as though I had a spotlight on me. One of many experiences with kids.

[Bob not logged in]

zillagrrl said:

DD,

I love that you can take an opinion that isn't your own, listen to it, acknowledge any validity you can find in it and still maintain your original opinion without taking offense that someone else's opinion isn't your own!

Zilla (kudos where they are due!)

Ah, Zilla, I can't help myself.

So, given what you've said above, if I conclude (by expressing MY opinion) that the opinion of someone else is stupid, does that IPTSO FACTO make my opinion wrong?? After all, if I am unable to acknowledge any validity to the opposing opinion, and after careful thought conclude IT'S SHIT!! - considering we are all talking OPINION, does failing to acknowlege any validity in an opposing opinion AUTOMATICALLY in your world make the opinion wrong??

For example:

Opinion: All Jews are cheap bastards who want to steal as much money as they can from others!

My opinion: BULLSHIT!!!!!!!

I acknowledge some people have the first opinion above. I think it's BULLSHIT!!

Who is right and who is wrong??

Or, do we just have the RIGHT to express our opinion, which in fact IS that the other opinion is BULLSHIT, without having to acknowledge that opinion at all. And isn't your "opinion" that one has to acknowledge another opinion, itself, just opinion??? Is it possible to have an opinion different that yours??

You are developing bad habits, young lady, by loving to stir the pot in directions that were never meant. Someone must be rubbing off on you!!!

[Bob not logged in]

>>>DrBob,

while we would like to have a conversation with you, we see that you have canceled services with us. Please see cancellation #20060316-1-0

Hopefully others will provide this service for you.

Zilla[/quote]<<<

Zilla, I don't see anywhere where THAT post was directed to you! It wasn't! Having trouble reading again???

Please see the one that clearly WAS!!

[innit Geezer]

Bob, I enjoy how you explain situations.