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Snowden
Jun 14, 2013 11:47:55 GMT -6
Post by New Mama on Jun 14, 2013 11:47:55 GMT -6
I realize we have few members here these days but I am curious. Is Snowden a traitor or hero?
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Snowden
Jun 14, 2013 16:44:46 GMT -6
Post by Merlot Joe on Jun 14, 2013 16:44:46 GMT -6
History will say.
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Snowden
Jun 14, 2013 19:46:33 GMT -6
Post by Robin Hood on Jun 14, 2013 19:46:33 GMT -6
I think he will go down in history as a HERO.
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Snowden
Jun 15, 2013 0:36:22 GMT -6
Post by Chicago Jake on Jun 15, 2013 0:36:22 GMT -6
HERO. No doubt about it. Tyranny cannot be tolerated.
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Snowden
Jun 15, 2013 13:16:58 GMT -6
Post by Exildo Wonsetler Briggs III on Jun 15, 2013 13:16:58 GMT -6
I'm not so sure. The more I hear about this fellow, the stranger he gets. He couldn't get through high school, had issues getting along with folks and obviously doesn't care about rules and regulations. That anyone who is a citizen of the US has been hurt by this "spying" has yet to be shown.
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Snowden
Jun 15, 2013 16:55:24 GMT -6
Post by Chicago Jake on Jun 15, 2013 16:55:24 GMT -6
Has issues getting along with folks and doesn't care about rules and regulations? Gee, Bob. Who does that sound like?
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Snowden
Jun 16, 2013 16:26:41 GMT -6
Post by Irish Stu on Jun 16, 2013 16:26:41 GMT -6
The man is a true HERO and I'm sickened by my own country's government and intelligence services involvement and access to the system.
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Snowden
Jun 16, 2013 19:26:45 GMT -6
Post by Exildo Wonsetler Briggs III on Jun 16, 2013 19:26:45 GMT -6
Has issues getting along with folks and doesn't care about rules and regulations? Gee, Bob. Who does that sound like? But I graduated high school!! :-)
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Snowden
Jun 17, 2013 10:23:13 GMT -6
Post by New Mama on Jun 17, 2013 10:23:13 GMT -6
I have mixed feelings about this. I think he is a hero for outing the collecting of emails of Americans by our government. I don’t know how that is authorized by the Patriot Act. These are emails that can be read unlike the tracking of phone call traffic that can identify persons consorting with the enemy. They were not listening to phone calls.
I don't like hearing that he's also blabbed about international spying; specifically spying on persons from counties that are considered our allies. I suspect that it’s not unusual in the spy business but stuff like this should be reported to your representative in Congress or the Senate not the media.
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Snowden
Jun 17, 2013 11:17:15 GMT -6
Post by Irish Stu on Jun 17, 2013 11:17:15 GMT -6
I have mixed feelings about this. I think he is a hero for outing the collecting of emails of Americans by our government It's not just Americans though. It's anybody in the world with a Facebook, Yahoo, Google, Hotmail etc account. A foreign government has been secretly spying on citizens of other nation states around the world. Any supposedly private conversations I have had on Facebook, Yahoo chat etc have potentially been studied and scrutinized by faceless analysts in another country. It's a disgrace. Imagine the outcry in the USA if it was revealed that the UK or Germany had access to the private communications of American citizens and were carrying out a wholesale spying operation on you.
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Snowden
Jun 17, 2013 12:34:39 GMT -6
Post by New Mama on Jun 17, 2013 12:34:39 GMT -6
I have mixed feelings about this. I think he is a hero for outing the collecting of emails of Americans by our government It's not just Americans though. It's anybody in the world with a Facebook, Yahoo, Google, Hotmail etc account. A foreign government has been secretly spying on citizens of other nation states around the world. Any supposedly private conversations I have had on Facebook, Yahoo chat etc have potentially been studied and scrutinized by faceless analysts in another country. It's a disgrace. Imagine the outcry in the USA if it was revealed that the UK or Germany had access to the private communications of American citizens and were carrying out a wholesale spying operation on you. Simon I wholeheartedly agree that the US should not be collecting emails from ANYONE without a warrant. Initially Snowden only told about the mass collecting of emails in America. For this he is truly a hero. This is why I said I have mixed feelings... This weekend he let out that US and British spying included tapping into the phone calls and e-mails of the former Russian president and others during last years G8 Summit. Firstly, this is not all that unusually but it should not be told to the media as it does involve international consequences…right before Obama is meeting with our allies in the G8 Summit. This is the type of spying that goes on every day but to confirm it is not good. It’s an embarrassment to Obama who must face these same diplomats this week and our country as a whole. This type of information should not go public. I don’t say it should not be reported but Snowden knows where to take this type of complaint but he chose to further embarrass the US. I don’t know that spying on foreign diplomats is illegal here. I did not hear Snowden say that we were spying on average citizens overseas like the government did here.
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Snowden
Jun 17, 2013 12:41:12 GMT -6
Post by New Mama on Jun 17, 2013 12:41:12 GMT -6
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Snowden
Jun 17, 2013 12:54:18 GMT -6
Post by Irish Stu on Jun 17, 2013 12:54:18 GMT -6
The whole email, Facebook etc spying was supposedly not aimed at American citizens. To me that actually makes it all the more distasteful that this department was spying on us 'foreigners', though I'm inclined to think that this was just said to pacify the American public.
Regarding bugging foreign presidents and diplomats, this is not the cold war and the UK and US should not be tapping the phones and reading emails of our friends and allies. Of course, many countries will no doubt protest, and many of them no doubt do the same to foreign officials visiting their own shores. That doesn't make it right though. And those here in the UK for the G8 summit might just think twice now about what they say on the phone or write in an email. What a wonderful atmosphere of distrust to have created... and one that was created by governments not Snowden.
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Snowden
Jun 17, 2013 14:30:07 GMT -6
Post by New Mama on Jun 17, 2013 14:30:07 GMT -6
I'm not so sure. The more I hear about this fellow, the stranger he gets. He couldn't get through high school, had issues getting along with folks and obviously doesn't care about rules and regulations. That anyone who is a citizen of the US has been hurt by this "spying" has yet to be shown. Snowden got sick as a sophomore in high school and missed 4 or 5 months of school. He fell behind. As he recovered he opted go to community collage in lieu of high school and took his high school equivalency exam and passed ahead of when he would have graduation from high school. He continued collage courses. To say he was a high school drop out is more than slanted reporting by some. Just who said he had issues getting along with people? Chaney? If so, why did the government keep him in very sensitive positions for the past 10 years? He worked directly for the NSA then for the CIA specializing in spying technology. In 2007 the CIA stationed him with diplomatic cover in Switzerland. Snowden had been working at the NSA for the last four years as an employee of various outside contractors, including Booz Allen and Dell. His responsibility for maintaining computer network security meant he had clearance to access a wide array of classified documents. He made over $200,000 and left it all because he knew what the NSA was doing was wrong. He had great hopes that Obama would make it all right and discovered it only got bigger and worse. The more I read about him the more I lean on the hero side of this unfolding story.
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Snowden
Jun 17, 2013 18:54:12 GMT -6
Post by Irish Stu on Jun 17, 2013 18:54:12 GMT -6
I'm not so sure. The more I hear about this fellow, the stranger he gets. He couldn't get through high school, had issues getting along with folks and obviously doesn't care about rules and regulations. That anyone who is a citizen of the US has been hurt by this "spying" has yet to be shown. Snowden got sick as a sophomore in high school and missed 4 or 5 months of school. He fell behind. As he recovered he opted go to community collage in lieu of high school and took his high school equivalency exam and passed ahead of when he would have graduation from high school. He continued collage courses. To say he was a high school drop out is more than slanted reporting by some. Just who said he had issues getting along with people? Chaney? If so, why did the government keep him in very sensitive positions for the past 10 years? He worked directly for the NSA then for the CIA specializing in spying technology. In 2007 the CIA stationed him with diplomatic cover in Switzerland. Snowden had been working at the NSA for the last four years as an employee of various outside contractors, including Booz Allen and Dell. His responsibility for maintaining computer network security meant he had clearance to access a wide array of classified documents. He made over $200,000 and left it all because he knew what the NSA was doing was wrong No surprises there then that those with the most to lose from Snowden's revelations would immediately start to discredit him as well as branding him a traitor. I recall when Jake first launched this here fine message board people on here were puzzled by my intense dislike of Tony Blair. From the outside looking in what wasn't there to love about him? But once you saw through him he was nothing more than sugar-coated shit. In Obama you've got yourselves your very own Teflon Tony.
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Snowden
Jun 17, 2013 19:58:46 GMT -6
Post by Exildo Wonsetler Briggs III on Jun 17, 2013 19:58:46 GMT -6
Reports tonight say he is now giving out secrets about our spying on foreign enemies. It's one thing to bitch about alleged spying on US citizens, quite another to divulge secrets about our spying on our enemies.
Hero? More like traitor who should be shot.
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Snowden
Jun 23, 2013 21:13:28 GMT -6
Post by Diana on Jun 23, 2013 21:13:28 GMT -6
He is a TRAITOR and should be shot.
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Snowden
Jul 19, 2013 12:10:07 GMT -6
Post by New Mama on Jul 19, 2013 12:10:07 GMT -6
Here is a twist, Snowden has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize by a Swedish Professor saying that awarding the former NSA employee would correct Nobel Committee’s mistake in giving the award to President Barack Obama in 2009. “Edward Snowden has - in a heroic effort at great personal cost - revealed the existence and extent of the surveillance, the U.S. government devotes electronic communications worldwide. By putting light on this monitoring program - conducted in contravention of national laws and international agreements - Edward Snowden has helped to make the world a little bit better and safer,” Svallfors wrote. Read more: www.politico.com/story/2013/07/edward-snowden-nobel-peace-prize-94158.html#ixzz2ZW4A10zu
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Snowden
Jul 22, 2013 22:59:51 GMT -6
Post by Chicago Jake on Jul 22, 2013 22:59:51 GMT -6
Hi-FUCKIN'-larious! Giving the Nobel Peace Prize to both Snowden and Obama would go a long way toward proving that the prize itself is a meaningless pile of horse shit. I love it.
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