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Post by New Mama on Mar 12, 2013 14:39:52 GMT -6
Nice that ObamaCare is making so much money for the insurance industry. bla bla bla
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Post by Chicago Jake on Mar 12, 2013 16:08:42 GMT -6
How do we know this is ObamaCare related?
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Post by Exildo Wonsetler Briggs III on Mar 12, 2013 20:20:16 GMT -6
www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2136864,00.html Our health care system that has been nearly completely taken over by big business. We're fucked. Totally not a Capitalist Idea, but this is one time when we need a SINGLE PAYER SYSTEM! The fuckers taking out money to pay outrageous prices are killing us. They need to be shot.
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Post by Merlot Joe on Mar 12, 2013 22:41:19 GMT -6
25% premium increases year after year for the past 7 years, has made our medical insurance go from a couple hundred dollars a month to a couple of thousand dollars a month. How do they expect people or business to pay for it?
I agree with Bob on the single payer system.
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Post by Chicago Jake on Mar 12, 2013 23:51:18 GMT -6
Single payer system? Are you people daft? In the olden days, we didn't call it a "single payer system." We called it a MONOPOLY, and it was understood that it was BAD BAD BAD for consumers.
Get a freakin' clue already!!!!!!!
Single payer system!! Sheeesh!!!!
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Post by New Mama on Mar 13, 2013 8:25:03 GMT -6
Since ObamaCare was signed into law major care providers have dropped out of the market and annual premiums have increased dramatically. ObamaCare is not in full effect until 2014 but insurance companies jacked up prices starting in 2009 and made nothing but money.
I have mixed feelings about a single payer system. It 'could' be cost effective but at what price in the level of care. When my family lived in Australia for 13 years they had to wait 6 to 9 months for a dentist appointment. Procedures were a long time coming unless a life or death situation was evident. What is the motivation for young people to spend 6 or 7 years to study and intern in the medical field if pay is dished out and controlled by politicians? Where will the initiative come from for new treatments? Money is a great motivator. Government control not so much.
Clearly something needs to be done but I don’t think ObamaCare is the answer either. We shall see.
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Post by Merlot Joe on Mar 13, 2013 12:17:40 GMT -6
If they don't come up with some good type of so called social medicine for this country Obama care or not people are not going to be able to afford medical insuarnce. Employer that provid it will also not longer be able to afford it.
Our whole system is going to have to ch-ch-change. The Government can not control the premiums they charge, if they try to the insurance companies will close up shop. As the number of insurance companies becomes less the premiums will skyrocket.
My insurance renews on May 1. I already know it is going to go up by 18% which amounts to a $344.52 per month premium increase. By the time I pay the deductable and the premium I could be $37,100.00 out of pocket for care and coverage. You can only squeeze so much blood out of a rock, before it cries foul.
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Post by Chicago Jake on Mar 13, 2013 12:36:59 GMT -6
The old system was not broken. It just needed two tweaks to be excellent: 1. Allow interstate competition. That's how auto insurance works, and it is CHEAP. 2. Tort reform. Stop allowing huge punitive awards, that are not paid by the loser anyway, but by the insurance companies, and therefore by the insurance consumers.
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Post by New Mama on Mar 13, 2013 13:35:50 GMT -6
I agree with Jake on the ch-ch-changes. Competition is always good.
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Post by Exildo Wonsetler Briggs III on Mar 13, 2013 20:27:58 GMT -6
Single payer system? Are you people daft? In the olden days, we didn't call it a "single payer system." We called it a MONOPOLY, and it was understood that it was BAD BAD BAD for consumers. Get a freakin' clue already!!!!!!! Single payer system!! Sheeesh!!!! Jake, in the "old" days, folks actually competed honestly. Today, BIG BUSINESS has entered the show and operates not to maximize your care, but their income. Ever noticed how when you fly, hardly anyone sitting near you paid the same price? Such is the current experience with healthcare. Depending on your insurance, you may pay $0.10 for an aspirin or possibly $10 dollars! Why is that?? It's because BIG BUSINESS now extracts a huge amount of money that once went for health care, but now goes for "administrative costs." Competition actually makes this problem worse as everyone fights to get the healthcare contract, and whomever pays the hospital the most wins. A single payer system does away with this bullshit and places everyone on an even keel. ..............Bob
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Post by Merlot Joe on Mar 13, 2013 22:33:23 GMT -6
I agree with Jake on the ch-ch-changes. Competition is always good. I agree competition us good, but there is not going to be any if medical insurance companies keep closing there doors.
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Post by Chicago Jake on Mar 13, 2013 23:26:13 GMT -6
Single payer system? Are you people daft? In the olden days, we didn't call it a "single payer system." We called it a MONOPOLY, and it was understood that it was BAD BAD BAD for consumers. Get a freakin' clue already!!!!!!! Single payer system!! Sheeesh!!!! Jake, in the "old" days, folks actually competed honestly. Today, BIG BUSINESS has entered the show and operates not to maximize your care, but their income.
Ever noticed how when you fly, hardly anyone sitting near you paid the same price? Such is the current experience with healthcare. Depending on your insurance, you may pay $0.10 for an aspirin or possibly $10 dollars! Why is that??
It's because BIG BUSINESS now extracts a huge amount of money that once went for health care, but now goes for "administrative costs." Competition actually makes this problem worse as everyone fights to get the healthcare contract, and whomever pays the hospital the most wins.
A single payer system does away with this bullshit and places everyone on an even keel. ..............Bob So you don't trust business. But you DO trust GOVERNMENT? ?? Ye Gods, Robert. Check yourself into a sanitarium toot pronto! You have lost your marbles.
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Post by Robin Hood on Mar 13, 2013 23:34:24 GMT -6
Jake, in the "old" days, folks actually competed honestly. Today, BIG BUSINESS has entered the show and operates not to maximize your care, but their income.
Ever noticed how when you fly, hardly anyone sitting near you paid the same price? Such is the current experience with healthcare. Depending on your insurance, you may pay $0.10 for an aspirin or possibly $10 dollars! Why is that??
It's because BIG BUSINESS now extracts a huge amount of money that once went for health care, but now goes for "administrative costs." Competition actually makes this problem worse as everyone fights to get the healthcare contract, and whomever pays the hospital the most wins.
A single payer system does away with this bullshit and places everyone on an even keel. ..............Bob So you don't trust business. But you DO trust GOVERNMENT? ?? Ye Gods, Robert. Check yourself into a sanitarium toot pronto! You have lost your marbles. I agree with Jake here... and out of Bob no less... please go have a CAT scan or something... someone has replaced our Bob with an imposter!!
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Post by Merlot Joe on Mar 13, 2013 23:49:51 GMT -6
Jake, in the "old" days, folks actually competed honestly. Today, BIG BUSINESS has entered the show and operates not to maximize your care, but their income.
Ever noticed how when you fly, hardly anyone sitting near you paid the same price? Such is the current experience with healthcare. Depending on your insurance, you may pay $0.10 for an aspirin or possibly $10 dollars! Why is that??
It's because BIG BUSINESS now extracts a huge amount of money that once went for health care, but now goes for "administrative costs." Competition actually makes this problem worse as everyone fights to get the healthcare contract, and whomever pays the hospital the most wins.
A single payer system does away with this bullshit and places everyone on an even keel. ..............Bob So you don't trust business. But you DO trust GOVERNMENT? ?? Ye Gods, Robert. Check yourself into a sanitarium toot pronto! You have lost your marbles. As far as I am concerned we can not trust either. So what choice do we have? Let Corporate America continue to fleece us, or let the Government continue to fleece us? I think we stand a better chance trying to stop the government than the corporations. At least with the government we can fire congress every couple of years. Corporate America we have no say. Employers and individuals can not continue to pay 15% to 30% increase in medical insurance year after year. Corporate America has shown it can't fix the problem, so let's give the government a chance. I don't like Obamacare but it's the next best thing to nothing.
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Post by New Mama on May 17, 2013 10:21:13 GMT -6
This is maddness.
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Post by Chicago Jake on May 17, 2013 10:55:09 GMT -6
Anyone who didn't see that coming must have had their head up their ass.
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Post by Merlot Joe on May 17, 2013 17:47:31 GMT -6
Anyone who didn't see that coming must have had their head up their ass. 99.99 % of America!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by New Mama on Jul 19, 2013 13:05:56 GMT -6
In case you don’t follow this subject you may want to know that over the 4th of July holiday Obama extended the employer mandate to provide health coverage on companies with more than 50 employees for 1 year until after the midterm election in 2014. He extended the deadline claiming he was urged to do so by businesses that said paying for insurance would create an undo financial hardship on them and that they need more time to comply.
He did not extend the individual mandate that will occur as scheduled in 2014. Obama also extended the requirement that individuals must prove income to apply for government funded insurance rebates because the process is not set up yet. Can you imagine the fraud?
Now Republicans and some Democrats (22 of them) want the individual mandate extended too. Congress passed a bill to extend the individual deadline this week but of course Obama vows to veto the bill if it arrives on his desk. The Democrats supporting the bill are keeping a low profile many not making statements about the vote at all. Interestingly most of the 22 are up for reelection in 2014.
So it looks like Obama’s all for helping big business but fuck the little guy who must buy insurance or pay a TAX!
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Post by Chicago Jake on Jul 22, 2013 23:04:36 GMT -6
What's that old saying? "Those that don't pay attention to politics are doomed to be governed by their inferiors." Or something like that.
PAY A-FUCKING-TENTION, YOU MORONS!!!! They are bleeding you dry. That I could live with, but YOUR inattention is bleeding ME dry, too!
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