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Post by ♥ COVID-19♥ on Jan 10, 2013 19:27:55 GMT -6
I say we just send in a bunch of liberals to tell the person, "Stop that!!" next time a shooter goes to a school for target practice. Bob - Thanks for the brilliant idea! Clearly from today's news, it worked! |
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Post by Ardbeg... innit on Jan 23, 2013 7:20:28 GMT -6
One more time, this time a shoot out at they OK corral... except it was Houston
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Post by New Mama on Jan 23, 2013 12:04:26 GMT -6
Too bad the press doesn't report on the lives saved by guns. Wonder how many guns surround the POTUS at any given time? Guns also save lives.
Clearly gun ownership needs better regulation but it will never fix the illegal gun use and resulting deaths. Criminals and psychopaths don't care about gun bans or what laws are passed. We need better law enforcement not more laws.
Celebrating guns is stupid but meaningful discussion on getting guns out of criminal’s hands is. Mental health is also a place where we can assist law enforcement to prevent deaths by guns, fire or other weapons. We need harsher laws for illegal acts committed with a gun.
Arson also kills but we don’t ban matches, gasoline or lighters.
It seems lots of people feel good about jumping on the ‘ban guns’ bandwagon without really considering the cause of gun related deaths. Guns don’t shoot by themselves. Banning guns, alcohol, drugs and other dangerous devices never stops the problem.
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Post by Ardbeg... innit on Jan 23, 2013 14:48:14 GMT -6
Problem is that most "psychopaths" go undetected until they act out for the first time. Until then, they are legal gun owners. Afterwards, its too late.
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Post by New Mama on Jan 23, 2013 15:48:20 GMT -6
Sometimes that is true Gordon. More often immediate family members, relatives, doctors, law enforcement and or teachers are aware of anti social or bizarre behavior. Beeb's old neighbor comes to mind. Maybe someone can develop a way to gather a national registry of convicted gun criminals and the mentally ill that gun dealers can access. It's not a simple problem and needs serious intelligent thought to try to control because bans are not the least bit effective.
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Post by Tex on Jan 23, 2013 16:33:10 GMT -6
Build more nut houses.
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Post by Exildo Wonsetler Briggs III on Jan 23, 2013 22:33:21 GMT -6
This "GUN" problem is really not a problem! The fucking media makes it one to sell news.
I mean, 3 times as many folks die each year in car accidents than homicides. Nearly twice as many just falling flat on their face and smashing their brain. Some 2 to 3 times poisoning themselves.
Every freekin' day a few million kids go to school and come home, no problem. Some nut shoots a few and for DAYS, we listen to liberal lunes talk about how guns are killing everyone.
Really?? The vast majority of those homicides are gang related, perp on perp . . . cry me a river over them, will 'ya??
I simply cannot fathom why liberal lunes are so up in arms over arms.
With SO FUCKING MANY MORE FOLKS dying of SO MANY OTHER CAUSES, why the concern over guns?? I really don't get it.
Simply analyze the cost to society from car deaths, falls, poisonings, tobacco, alcohol . . . well the list goes on, to the cost to society of the number of folks who die from homicide by gun and only a psychotic idiot can come to any other conclusion but that guns are WAY the fuck down on the list of causes of death that have any significant impact on society.
Why is this so fucking hard to understand?
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Post by Chicago Jake on Jan 24, 2013 1:12:17 GMT -6
Caps-Lock ranting aside, I completely agree with the esteemed Dr. Bob.
Yes, it's sad that a bunch of grade school kids got croaked. But is that sadder than all the people who die in car crashes, lightning strikes, rogue elephant accidents, bathtub drownings, subway mishaps, ad nauseum? No; they are all sad. But that's life.
The bottom line is, these kinds of deaths are the Price Of Freedom. Sure, we can ban private ownership of firearms. Would that decrease gun deaths? Many of us think not (and it would probably increase them), but even if it did, is it worth is?
No, it is not. As they say, Freedom isn't Free. We could ban cars, and save millions of lives. We could ban tobacco and save millions of lives. We could ban alcohol and save millions of lives. No, wait; they tried that. It only increased gang activity. Never mind.
My point is, these deaths, statistically insignificant as they are, are the price of freedom. Deal with it. The alternative - lack of freedom - is too horrific to even contemplate. And should be anathema to all real Americans.
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Post by Ardbeg... innit on Jan 24, 2013 8:42:56 GMT -6
In that case why dont we have monuments to these people... they should be the equivalent of soldiers lost in wars defending our freedoms Fallen American Hero Defender of our Freedom to carry guns Travon Martin  |
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Post by Ardbeg... innit on Jan 24, 2013 8:56:41 GMT -6
More American heros who fell as the Price of Freedom, they died so you can own a gun.   |
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Post by Tex on Jan 24, 2013 9:20:10 GMT -6
Gordon, that's not fair to those of us in favor of shooting first graders.
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Post by New Mama on Jan 24, 2013 9:45:35 GMT -6
More children die in auto accidents than gunshots so lets ban cars.
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Post by Chicago Jake on Jan 24, 2013 10:00:52 GMT -6
And still more die from cancer. Hey, let's ban cancer!
And let's legislate that Pi=3.00 while we're at it. Irrational numbers are just plain silly!
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Post by Ardbeg... innit on Jan 24, 2013 10:13:42 GMT -6
More children die in auto accidents than gunshots so lets ban cars. True, but driving a car is not a Right, owning a gun Is |
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Post by Ardbeg... innit on Jan 24, 2013 10:14:20 GMT -6
And still more die from cancer. Hey, let's ban cancer! And let's legislate that Pi=3.00 while we're at it. Irrational numbers are just plain silly! Having Cancer is not a Right, owning a gun Is |
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Post by Ardbeg... innit on Jan 24, 2013 10:14:51 GMT -6
Gordon, that's not fair to those of us in favor of shooting first graders. Sorry if I offended Tex |
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Post by Ardbeg... innit on Jan 24, 2013 10:15:41 GMT -6
Honor those who died as the Price of Freedom
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Post by New Mama on Jan 24, 2013 10:54:53 GMT -6
More children die in auto accidents than gunshots so lets ban cars. True, but driving a car is not a Right, owning a gun Is What? I have the right to drive a car. I have a license for it just like I have a license for a gun. |
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Post by Ardbeg... innit on Jan 24, 2013 10:59:29 GMT -6
Show me where in the Constitution where it says you have a Right to drive a car.
Honor the martyrs who died you we can own guns.
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Post by Tex on Jan 24, 2013 11:36:19 GMT -6
You care about the kids Gordon. You are so compassionate. Let's have a little smugfest and sing "Michael Row the Boat Ashore".
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Post by New Mama on Jan 24, 2013 12:39:37 GMT -6
Show me where in the Constitution where it says you have a Right to drive a car. Honor the martyrs who died you we can own guns. Who said anything about the Constitution, which by the way grants us the right to own a gun. Owning a car. driving a car is also a right granted to me by the State. |
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Post by New Mama on Jan 24, 2013 12:48:09 GMT -6
You care about the kids Gordon. You are so compassionate. Let's have a little smugfest and sing "Michael Row the Boat Ashore". I'm guessing that Gordon is also pro-life with all his compassion toward the life of children. |
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Post by Merlot Joe on Jan 24, 2013 13:14:59 GMT -6
We have a right to own a gun just as we have a right to a lawyer, a fair and speedy trial, the right to vote, hold a peaceful Assembly, to choose any religion we want, and most of all the right to be free.
Take any of the previous ones away and we just lost the last one.
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Post by Chicago Jake on Jan 24, 2013 14:45:24 GMT -6
The Constitution does not grant rights to The People. It limits the power of The Government to take away the God-given rights of The People.
Oops, sorry. I mentioned God. My bad.
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Post by Robin Hood on Jan 24, 2013 15:43:11 GMT -6
We are one Waco type event away from a shitstorm like this country has never seen. In my time on this earth I have NEVER seen people this pissed off. If you go into ANY gun store in the USA right now, you can't find any ammo or weapons you would want in case of a war... AR's, AK's, anything that would make a good weapon for defending your home and way of life are sold out... hell you can't even find an M1 ANYWHERE... the ammo that is completely sold out is also the stuff you would want if you were going to war... there are plenty of "deer" rounds available. This fact alone scares the shit outta me... the people buying this stuff aren't hoarding it cause they won't be able to get it... they are preparing for war.
Americans are a weird lot, generally speaking.
Firstly, this bullshit gun control trying to be pushed through right now is a confiscation. Essentially, yes, although not an immediate one. It's also still yet another step in a long march that picks here and there at the edges of our freedom. This is not an isolated incident, is what I'm trying to say. They've been picking at this wound for more than a hundred years, and on top of that, they're getting lazy with their successes in other areas. They're trotting out the same disproven claims again, without even trying to put a fresh spin on the carcass. People are starting to recognize that this latest law isn't the end game, but just one more step towards total confiscation. People are finally waking up to it.
The Waco correlation has more to do with government overreaching its authority without any sort of common sense or understanding of consequence. The ATF agents could, at any time, have walked freely up to Koresh's front door, asked to be let in, and searched the entire compound at their leisure. What's more, they KNEW THAT. The county sheriff had brought him in on a number of instances for various nonsense, with never a cross word spoken. But ATF was after a splashy, public spectacle, and so they ended up burning seventy some odd people alive for the sake of publicity and the ostensible collection of a single $200 tax stamp.
The whole tide of events that led up to Waco, including the Lawmaster and Ruby Ridge incidents is still a pretty raw wound. We understand government escalation all too well, and we can smell it in the air right now. We know an opening gambit when the first pawn is moved just as well as anybody else does.
Americans, as I said, are a funny lot. We're peaceful as hell right up until we aren't. We'll put up with onerous bullshit that eastern bloc folks wouldn't stand up for, so long as we can tell ourselves that we have a choice. See, that's the important thing-- that we have a choice. "Well, I could rear up and slap shit out of them, but it isn't worth the trouble, yet. But they better not do X, or there will be hell to pay!" See, so long as we can tell ourselves that we COULD do something about a given situation if we really had to, we're generally too damn lazy to actually do anything. And there's the rub.
Like just about anybody we've ever had a war with, Washington DC looks at us and how we just put up with all the hairy bullshit because it's too much bother to fight it, and they think that we'll never stand up to them at all. Hell, I have friends here and on Facebook who agree with them, some of whom will no doubt comment on this post. And, I think, that's where the mistake is made.
See, that old rifle leaning against the corner in the hall closet? That's our symbol of choice. So long as that rifle remains there, we can tell ourselves that, if we really had to, we could do something about the scoundrels, just like our ancestors did, despite the fact that a goodly chunk of us never had ancestors who participated in the first Revolution. You might say that it's part of our uniquely American religion. We might not think it consciously, but the idea is there. It's our security blanket, if you will.
Folks are finally realizing that DC and the lefties aren't just after the weapons of criminals. The controllers have finally overstepped their bounds. They're taking away the CHOICE. Never mind it's a choice that would never have been exercised, it was there and it was ours.
We're a special breed, and I'm sorry if that seems insulting or narcissistic. We come from folk who weren't ever satisfied with where they were and with their choices wherever they were in the old world. We come from risk takers, even those of us who can't trace our lineage back to the first war. We need that choice in our very bones.
They've been trying since FDR's time to breed it out of us, true. The Free Shit Army grows daily, diluting the risk-taking gene pool with the peonage and dead weight of the parasite, but there are still a mess of us left. There are still enough of us to make a fight of it. We may lose, yes. That's a risk. But remember who we are. Risk doesn't, hasn't ever, and won't ever stop us. We thrive on it.
This whole mess is pretty dumb, really, and for guys who play the long game, they're fucking up pretty hard. Another couple of generations, and the gene pool will be so diluted that they won't even need to pass laws. But they got antsy and decided to push the issue early. The current fucktards want to be alive for the victory-- they lack the patience of their sociological forebears. They'll try to take away that harmless choice that we would probably never have exercised, and in so doing, they'll make the choice for us. Those of us on this side of the issue have seen too many pictures, heard too many stories, of what happens to a people once they've been disarmed. Our kids might, our grand kids might, but we won't put up with it. We can't. It just ain't in our nature.
They'll come in expecting token resistance at best-- something they can wash over with their complicit fifth column media, and they'll step into a shitstorm that will utterly astonish them. And whatever comes of it, they'll carry that astonishment to their graves, because they just don't have the capacity to understand. I know this because, if they were capable of understanding, they'd have played this differently, and won easily.
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Post by Exildo Wonsetler Briggs III on Jan 24, 2013 21:51:08 GMT -6
More children die in auto accidents than gunshots so lets ban cars. True, but driving a car is not a Right, owning a gun Is So dying doesn't matter unless it's connected to a "right?" 3 times as many folks die in car accidents than from homicides by gun, but those folks don't matter. Over twice as many die from falls, but those deaths don't matter. Twice as many die from poisonings but those deaths don't matter. Let's not even get to deaths from tobacco and alcohol. It becomes clear that the looney left doesn't really care that folks die unintentionally, the left just cares that folks die from guns. As it turns out, a large number if not a majority of those dying from guns are the result of gang violence and perp on perp shootings. The left doesn't care that folks die, they just want to make sure everyone dies their way. Kids included. If there is any new gun legislation, it should be that every looney left lune is required to take a gun safety course to get over their fear of an inanimate object. I've never seen more irrational stupidity from the left than this stupidity about guns. It just gets old after awhile. |
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Post by Chicago Jake on Jan 25, 2013 1:09:54 GMT -6
I bought my first gun ever today. I'd never owned one before. I was afraid of them. I thought they killed people. But I finally decided, I shouldn't just take the media's word for it. I should find out for myself. This is America after all, right?
So I went out to a gun show, and I bought a nice shiny firearm, and a shitload of bullets. I took my new gun home, and I loaded it up with bullets, and I put it on my kitchen table. I looked at it. I said, "Go! Go out and kill people! Kill everyone you can find! Kill children, old people, anyone. Take special care to kill minorities!"
Guess what the gun did. That's right. It did nothing. It just laid there on the kitchen table, innocently and harmlessly. I could tell it was looking at me and saying, "what the fuck, dude? You think I WANT to kill people? That's YOUR job!"
Stupid gun. Maybe I can talk one of my kitchen knives into killing people for me.
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Post by Ardbeg... innit on Jan 25, 2013 6:36:18 GMT -6
Honor those whose death is the Price of Freedom  |
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Post by Ardbeg... innit on Jan 25, 2013 7:32:26 GMT -6
Show me where in the Constitution where it says you have a Right to drive a car. Honor the martyrs who died you we can own guns. Who said anything about the Constitution, which by the way grants us the right to own a gun. Owning a car. driving a car is also a right granted to me by the State. It is NOT a Right, it is a privilege to drive a car... there is a HUGE difference. Check the Illinois Constitution, I bet that you will NOT find driving a car enumerated as a "Right"... it is a privilege, something that you EARN by showing competence in your ability to understand the laws of the road and your ability to handle a vehicle... PROBABLY the status that guns should have in our society. |
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Post by Ardbeg... innit on Jan 25, 2013 7:37:48 GMT -6
You care about the kids Gordon. You are so compassionate. Let's have a little smugfest and sing "Michael Row the Boat Ashore". I'm guessing that Gordon is also pro-life with all his compassion toward the life of children. Anita, in case you have not "gotten it" yet, my issue here is the nonchalant attitude that the deaths of these kids and other victims of mass shootings and of anyone who is collateral damage can be swept under the rug as the "Price of Freedom"... that is just wrong on so many levels that I cannot fathom the misguided mental processes that go into making such a statement. |
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