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Post by Ardbeg... innit on Nov 5, 2012 6:32:31 GMT -6
Most of the sites that compile all of the polls show that the electoral race is leaning heavily in Obama's direction. Most show that Romney needs to run the table of "battleground states", with the odds of that happening ranging from 1 in 10 to 3 in 10.
In trade, the "free market" polling site shows Obama with a 68% chance of winning, and a 50-50 shot of getting 300 Electoral Votes.
We pretty much run the threads raw with what we think about the candidates positions, now what do we think about their chances of winning.
It appears that we dont have a "Poll" option anymore, so this will be a paper ballot. Who do you think will win and how many electoral votes?
Obama 303 Romney 235
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Post by Chicago Jake on Nov 5, 2012 7:30:08 GMT -6
Sure we have a "Poll" option. You just have to click on "New Poll" instead of "New Thread."
As for predicting the outcome, I have no idea. I like the idea of those electoral poll websites, but they can't really keep up with the last-minute shifts in voter trends. I say it's too close to call at this point.
Personally, I'm pessimistic about the direction of our once-great nation. Even if Romney manages to win, that will be only a brief (and small - if any) delay on our tumble into Socialism. I think we're doomed either way. Since my fellow citizens seem dead set on electing politicians who will steal my money, my best response is to make as much as I possibly can, and do my best to keep it for myself in my own ways.
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Post by Ardbeg... innit on Nov 5, 2012 7:35:42 GMT -6
Doh! I was looking for it in the "New Thread" oh well.. paper ballots work just fine
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Post by Ardbeg... innit on Nov 5, 2012 7:47:55 GMT -6
Jake, after spending time there this spring, I think you would like Switzerland.
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Post by Chicago Jake on Nov 5, 2012 7:58:16 GMT -6
Maybe. But Switzerland isn't the USA, and the Swiss aren't Americans. What works for meerkats won't necessarily work for warthogs.
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Post by Ardbeg... innit on Nov 5, 2012 8:22:45 GMT -6
Maybe. But Switzerland isn't the USA, and the Swiss aren't Americans. What works for meerkats won't necessarily work for warthogs.Another epitaph |
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Post by New Mama on Nov 5, 2012 11:08:17 GMT -6
This race has appeared to be a dead heat for weeks with Real Clear Politics average poll 47.8 Obama vs. 47.4 Romney. www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.htmlI think it will boil down to who received more positive press. I think that's Obama so I still think he will win, however I believe it will be a very close race due to higher turnout on the right and the so called ‘undecided’ voters who appear…based on polls to favor Romney. I don’t think either one of these candidates will exceed 300 electoral votes. The majority of voters vote on emotion vs. research with any candidate. Romney should have done more late night and daytime talk shows like Obama did. Romney didn’t yuck it up enough. It is a sad commentary of our society. |
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Post by Ardbeg... innit on Nov 5, 2012 12:37:25 GMT -6
Anita.. those numbers cont matter.. a dead heat is meaningless on national terms. It isnt how we choose our Presidents. You have to go state by state.
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Post by Chicago Jake on Nov 5, 2012 13:02:20 GMT -6
Ardberg? You are getting more obscure by the moment. Or is that one of Obama's non-existent economic advisors?
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Post by New Mama on Nov 5, 2012 13:06:23 GMT -6
Anita.. those numbers cont matter.. a dead heat is meaningless on national terms. It isnt how we choose our Presidents. You have to go state by state. Of course I know that. The popular vote only mattered when Gore lost. Anyway the electoral vote is why I think Obama will win. I would love to be surprised otherwise, but highly doubt it. I do not think it will be by a significant margin. |
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Post by Merlot Joe on Nov 5, 2012 13:08:21 GMT -6
Obama will win. It will be close but he will win. I have to agree with The Professor. It is only going to be a matter of time no matter who wins before we head to Socialism. The rich will be rich and the poor will remain poor with no middle class in this country. The only question remaining is what percentage of the middle class will fall to the poor side.
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Post by New Mama on Nov 5, 2012 13:20:17 GMT -6
I'll go out on a limb and predict the swing States with a final count of Obama 279, Romney 259.
I think Romney will carry VA, PA, FL, and NV with NC, IA, NH, MI, WI, OH, and CO going to Obama.
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Post by Ardbeg... innit on Nov 5, 2012 13:25:07 GMT -6
Ardberg? You are getting more obscure by the moment. Or is that one of Obama's non-existent economic advisors? Ahhh, typo... Ardbeg is a most wonderful distillery.. one that is never afraid of peat especially my beloved Supernova |
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Post by Ardbeg... innit on Nov 5, 2012 13:39:52 GMT -6
Anita.. those numbers cont matter.. a dead heat is meaningless on national terms. It isnt how we choose our Presidents. You have to go state by state. Of course I know that. The popular vote only mattered when Gore lost. Anyway the erectoral vote is why I think Obama will win. I would love to be surprised otherwise, but highly doubt it. I do not think it will be by a significant margin. Better believe that if it happens again tomorrow, the right will be apoplectic, and I would bet that one of the pundits on the right will say something along the lines of "never before in history" |
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Post by Chicago Jake on Nov 5, 2012 14:16:24 GMT -6
Ardberg? You are getting more obscure by the moment. Or is that one of Obama's non-existent economic advisors? one that is never afraid of peat especially my beloved Supernova I never heard of that before, either, but thanks for the clarification. |
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Post by Tex on Nov 5, 2012 15:04:04 GMT -6
I'll go Romney with 300 electoral votes. The caveat is that I don't believe the pollsters have a clue and they know more than I. The only thing that would surprise me would be an Obama landslide. Just drove down I4 from Daytona Beach to Orlando. Romneys outnumbered Obamas by a wide margin.
Obama failed as a President but did succeed in expanding the Irresponsorati, such an important constituency of the Democratic Party.
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Post by nolaflacav on Nov 5, 2012 15:29:32 GMT -6
I'm gonna go with a dead heat at 269. Let's let this play out another 6 weeks or so like a slow festering bullet wound.
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Post by New Mama on Nov 5, 2012 15:43:46 GMT -6
I'm gonna go with a dead heat at 269. Let's let this play out another 6 weeks or so like a slow festering bullet wound. I read somewhere that should a dead heat occur the popular vote determines the President and the Vice President is from the other party; like Obama and Ryan or Romney and Biden win the White house. I actually like that idea. I looked it up and what I thought is not quite right but possible.  |
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Post by Merlot Joe on Nov 5, 2012 17:31:53 GMT -6
If it's a ties I say flip a coin. Neither one of them deserves to be in the office.
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Post by ♥ COVID-19♥ on Nov 5, 2012 17:46:40 GMT -6
I'm gonna go with a dead heat at 269. Let's let this play out another 6 weeks or so like a slow festering bullet wound. BTW, in the event of a tie, the next version of "Fast & Furious" will be the state-by-state lawsuits filed by the losing side. We are about to discover this decade's Katherine Harris. |
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Post by Irish Stu on Nov 5, 2012 18:31:55 GMT -6
If Mitt wins tomorrow Max Headroom fans around the world are going to be so confused.
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Post by Ardbeg... innit on Nov 5, 2012 19:19:35 GMT -6
I read somewhere that should a dead heat occur the popular vote determines the President and the Vice President is from the other party ... BTW, in the event of a tie, the next version of "Fast & Furious" will be the state-by-state lawsuits filed by the losing side. We are about to discover this decade's Katherine Harris. So you are saying that in that particular case Harvey "Thats Hedley" Korman wins |
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Post by ♥ COVID-19♥ on Nov 5, 2012 20:39:11 GMT -6
Harvey Korman? Who dat?
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Post by Ardbeg... innit on Nov 5, 2012 21:17:44 GMT -6
Well I'll be damned. It looks like I won't be able to vote for Gary Johnson. Seems that the Republicans managed to get him kicked off the ballot in Michigan a couple weeks ago. Also got him kicked off in Oklahoma. Assholes.
Sent from my SCH-I535 using proboards
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Post by Merlot Joe on Nov 5, 2012 21:48:28 GMT -6
If you went by popular vote all that the winners needs to do is take the west coast and the east coast and it's all over. |
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Post by Chicago Jake on Nov 6, 2012 0:44:12 GMT -6
If you went by popular vote all that the winners needs to do is take the west coast and the east coast and it's all over. This is exactly true. The Electoral College was created to protect the rights of minorities against the tyranny of the majority. You don't want to go on record as being against minority rights, do you? |
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Post by Ardbeg... innit on Nov 6, 2012 5:40:56 GMT -6
I would love to see a citation on that Jake... in fact it was just the opposite. One of the big fears of the framers of the Constitution was that each state would vote only for someone they knew... that is someone from their own state, and no consensus would be formed... Here is a short history of how the Electoral College was designed (the concept goes back to ancient Rome) |
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Post by innit Geezer on Nov 6, 2012 6:07:01 GMT -6
Thanks for the link Gordon.
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Post by Ardbeg... innit on Nov 6, 2012 7:17:10 GMT -6
Well I'll be damned. It looks like I won't be able to vote for Gary Johnson. Seems that the Republicans managed to get him kicked off the ballot in Michigan a couple weeks ago. Also got him kicked off in Oklahoma. Assholes. Sent from my SCH-I535 using proboards Edited: It appears that they got the entire Libertarian Party off the Michigan Ballot... |
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Post by New Mama on Nov 6, 2012 8:49:35 GMT -6
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