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Post by Christinko on Sept 23, 2009 17:54:23 GMT -6
I posted on Dennyp's too, but figure he'll delete it shortly as off-topic.....
I was exploring options for reprinting the print copy of the Hedonism II book (The Naked Truth About Hedonism II) and came across CreateSpace on Amazon.com.
It's a print-on-demand system that sounded feasible to me. But then I read the contract and in the section on pornography it said that nude pictures were only permitted with a censor bar across the naughty bits (my words).
I wrote them to confirm that I wouldn't be able to avoid the censor bar...they said no nudity without it.
I'm utterly flabbergasted...and vaguely aghast at our society.
None of the nude pics of people in the book are of people having sex or erect penises or children. Has this country (the USA) gone totally prude or what?
I betcha a picture of a gun in someone's mouth would be okay (violence wasn't in the contract).
Charming. Just f-in' charming. [insert thrown up hands and rolling eyes].
Have you found the world getting tighter or looser re: nudity?
Since W Bush, I've found it getting tighter and that concerns me greatly. I feel like I'll be on some CIA hit list eventually with the direction of our country.
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Post by Tex on Sept 23, 2009 19:05:58 GMT -6
Chris, I agree with you that this seems very prim and schoolmarmish, but tell me how W Bush fits into the picture.
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Post by Chicago Jake on Sept 23, 2009 20:27:46 GMT -6
I agree Tex. Last I checked, Obama is still president. So I suppose it's his fault.
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Post by Christinko on Sept 23, 2009 21:50:09 GMT -6
I'm not saying Bush had anything to do with the school marmish stuff....I'm saying that's when I started to happen to notice this country getting more and more that way--and apparently it still is under Obama...
Geesh, guys, stay on point here. Maybe someone noticed the trend started at a different time or doesn't think it exists at all.
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Post by Tex on Sept 24, 2009 6:33:18 GMT -6
The worst case of this ilk that I have seen lately is the one where a Wal Mart employee in the photo lab noticed the nude bath pictures of some toddlers. They reported it to Child Protective Services and the couple lost custody of the children for a month or so while this was sorted out. Fox showed the photos and they looked like photos that most people have of their small children. Where is the common sense here?
When I was a small kid, we played outside naked about every warm day, usually in the water sprinkler or a wash tub. When we were at my uncle's ranch, my cousins and I would take off our clothes and climb up and swim in the cistern used to store rain water for bathing. My uncle's only concern was that we would step on something, fall off the ladder, or walk behind the horses.
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Post by ♥ COVID-19♥ on Sept 24, 2009 8:58:50 GMT -6
This seems like more of a legal Cover Your Ass (pun intended) for Amazon.
If obscenity is "I know it when I see it", then it can be argued that pornography is also "I know it when I see it". Assuming there's no way that they can block kids from viewing the content, then that's the basis of their reasoning (excuse).
I'm not in favor of censorship, but I'm not in favor of having kids experience things they're not ready for, either.
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Post by Christinko on Sept 24, 2009 11:01:04 GMT -6
Well, the child would have to order the book with his or her credit card because the stuff I publish isn't free.
That they wouldn't censor the picture of a person knifing another person in the belly (at least violence wasn't mentioned in the contract--only nudity of any type).
I did send one picture to them to see if that benign nude photo (diva in the fountain) would require the censorship bar. We'll see what they say probably later tonight.
I agree with you, Tex, re: the naked kids in the bathtub pic...naked/nude can be cute/beautiful, not dick-inspiring.
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Post by ♥ COVID-19♥ on Sept 24, 2009 11:34:58 GMT -6
Many of the books Amazon sells provide samples online from the book so you can peruse it before buying. Is that not true of print-on-demand books? I would think that's the real reason for their concern, assuming that option is available.
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Post by New Mama on Sept 24, 2009 12:22:13 GMT -6
Many of the books Amazon sells provide samples online from the book so you can peruse it before buying. Is that not true of print-on-demand books? I would think that's the real reason for their concern, assuming that option is available. I buy books from Amazon to download on my Kindle. Yes, you can sample books before you buy them but they (Amazon) decide what you get to sample. It's ridiculous that they would ban your book Chris. Is your book available to Kindle users? |
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Post by Christinko on Sept 24, 2009 18:27:09 GMT -6
I haven't set up the book for Kindle yet, but plan to shortly--at least that isn't censorial!. I'll also be selling my FULL version of the book as a PDF e-book from my website (within a month).
I just got another email from CreateSpace (Amazon subsidiary)...when I tried to get their approval for ONE picture...it said to send the entire book ready to be published and then they'll review it. Sorry, dudes, but that's a lot of freakin' work to be told it's a no-go or some pics don't fly. I guess I'll publish it through them without naked pictures...ack.
Must admit when I had paid to have it printed myself these last 10 years, it was sure hard to find a printer who would print naked pictures. They all whined that their staff would sue them for having to see nudity.
Finally found ONE printer in Michigan who had no problem with the pics.
I'd go that route again but sales are slower these days (market saturation?) and the upfront costs (about $9000) and storage (for 1500 books) are more than I want to bother with.
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