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Post by Ardbeg... innit on Mar 8, 2005 12:18:53 GMT -6
I know its happening everywhere, but our gas prices jumped 15 cents today... up to $2.25  Fortunately I filled up a couple days ago, but I doubt that my next fill up will be at a price that is comparable to my last. Maybe I should go top off, while gas IS cheap. Gordon |
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Post by Tex on Mar 8, 2005 12:20:54 GMT -6
Simon, how much are you paying for gas (petrol, not LP) in the UK?
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Post by Merlot Joe on Mar 8, 2005 13:21:25 GMT -6
It's called getting fucked without a kiss.
Gas Yesterday in Reno on my way home. $2.25 for Regular $2.55 for Supreme.
Haven't looked here today. Will do later.
Joe.
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Post by Ardbeg... innit on Mar 8, 2005 13:26:53 GMT -6
$2.50 .... $2.50 do I hear $2.50...
how bout
$2.60... $2.60 goin once goin twice
$2.75 from the man in the back...
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Post by That English Guy on Mar 8, 2005 14:01:39 GMT -6
Simon, how much are you paying for gas (petrol, not LP) in the UK? On the current exchange rate it works out around $6.70 to $7.00 a gallon. I put £40 of petrol in my car every week which would be about $60 to $70. Simon |
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Post by Merlot Joe on Mar 8, 2005 18:06:56 GMT -6
$2.32 a gallon here today for regular. $ 2.62 for Supreme.
I just ordered 2000 gallons today for my windmachines for frost season. Anyone want that bill?
That will last me one night if we have to run them.
Joe.
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Post by That English Guy on Mar 8, 2005 18:27:01 GMT -6
I just ordered 2000 gallons today for my windmachines for frost season. Anyone want that bill? I wouldn't want the bill Joe, but if I had to I'd rather have it at your prices than ours  Simon |
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Post by Chicago Jake on Mar 8, 2005 18:44:53 GMT -6
My understanding (I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong) is that EVERYONE pays pretty much the same price for the GAS. It's just that the TAXES are different everywhere. So if your government is taking too much of your cash at gunpoint, you know the solution: vote the bastards out!.....Jake
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Post by Merlot Joe on Mar 8, 2005 19:04:16 GMT -6
In CA. these are the taxes we pay for a gallon of gas.
Federal tax .184 cents per gallon
State Road Tax .185 cents per gallon
State Gas TAx .065 cents per gallon
Country Road tax .055 cents per gallon
Sales Tax 7.50 % on the amount of the sale including the taxes about.
Kind of bites doesn't it.
Joe.
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Post by DT on Mar 8, 2005 19:33:29 GMT -6
NW IN prices are. Regular......a arm Premium.....a leg Super Premium.... a First born |
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Post by Merlot Joe on Mar 8, 2005 20:35:41 GMT -6
NW IN prices are. Regular......a arm Premium.....a leg Super Premium.... a First born Diesel ........... Left Nut.  The price for Diesel out here is worse than the price of Gas. $2.85 and climbing by the minute. Joe. |
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Post by DT on Mar 8, 2005 21:09:12 GMT -6
Oh Man, anything but the left nut that be part of my brain  |
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Post by Tex on Mar 8, 2005 21:09:35 GMT -6
I filled up two cars Sunday, the regular was 1.84 and the super premium about a dime higher.
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Post by Merlot Joe on Mar 8, 2005 21:17:12 GMT -6
Could you please send me a tanker load of that $1.84 a gallon stuff?
Joe.
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Post by Tex on Mar 8, 2005 21:21:38 GMT -6
Could you please send me a tanker load of that $1.84 a gallon stuff? Joe. I'll just email it to you. I think the oil prices have something to do with the increases but most of the regional price increases are due to the refiners being down due to switching from winter formulation from summer formulation in the areas that have the boutique gasoline blends. |
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Post by Merlot Joe on Mar 8, 2005 21:47:37 GMT -6
I'll just email it to you. I think the oil prices have something to do with the increases but most of the regional price increases are due to the refiners being down due to switching from winter formulation from summer formulation in the areas that have the boutique gasoline blends. I'll get a hose ready. I agree, we have as you say the boutique blend here in the summer. Joe. |
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Post by Ardbeg... innit on Mar 9, 2005 6:26:35 GMT -6
I filled up two cars Sunday, the regular was 1.84 and the super premium about a dime higher. Damn, I am coming down there with a couple empty Surper Slurpee mugs to fill up... Joe, couldnt you run those windmaking machines off of a windmill ?? |
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Post by Merlot Joe on Mar 9, 2005 8:18:48 GMT -6
Joe, couldnt you run those windmaking machines off of a windmill ?? Gordon when the frost hits at midnight, there ain't no wind and I need lots of ponies to get those things moving. The ponies get real thirsty fast. Joe |
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Post by Ardbeg... innit on Mar 9, 2005 8:52:43 GMT -6
Gordon when the frost hits at midnight, there ain't no wind and I need lots of ponies to get those things moving. The ponies get real thirsty fast. Joe Hence, the wink... I seem to remember this conversation now, dont remember if it was here or preTNMC. |
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Post by Chicago Jake on Mar 9, 2005 10:22:02 GMT -6
Joe, couldnt you run those windmaking machines off of a windmill ?? That's fine, but just don't go stealing my idea for a solar-powered flashlight!! Seriously, though, you could possible use windmills to store up power during the day (attached to a generator and a battery) and then turn it around at night to have the battery power the fans. Maybe even use the same devices for fans and windmills, I'm not sure about that. There would be inefficiencies, of course (second law of thermodynamics and all), but how efficient do you need to be with free energy?.......Jake |
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Post by That English Guy on Mar 9, 2005 10:46:24 GMT -6
My understanding (I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong) is that EVERYONE pays pretty much the same price for the GAS. It's just that the TAXES are different everywhere. So if your government is taking too much of your cash at gunpoint, you know the solution: vote the bastards out!.....Jake Depending on the grade of petrol and where you buy it the government takes up to around 75% of the forecourt price of around $7 a gallon in tax www.theaa.com/allaboutcars/fuel/With this amount of revenue coming in from fuel sales no party will make it an election issue so the gun remains pointed at our heads. Simon |
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Post by Ardbeg... innit on Mar 9, 2005 10:49:54 GMT -6
True Jake, but if Joe goes through 2000 gallons of fuel in one night, thats gotta be one HELLUVA battery! Definately bigger than a D cell,  definately, yeah, definately bigger Jake... you dont have to worry about the solar powered flashlight... I have my "dehydrated water' to worry about |
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Post by Chicago Jake on Mar 9, 2005 11:24:06 GMT -6
..... thats gotta be one HELLUVA battery! .... Yup, I thought about that. Here's some preliminary musings: We have these hybrid electric cars which store up energy in a battery, and I imagine they can go quite a distance on a charge. If they hold as much energy as, say 10 gallons of gas, then we only need 200 such batteries to run Joe's system. That's not trivial, of course, but compared to 2000 gallons of gas, *per night*, the investment is bound to pay off......Jake |
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Post by Ardbeg... innit on Mar 9, 2005 11:34:41 GMT -6
... or even a fraction of that as a supplement . AND the higher the prices go, the more attractive, financially, the alternatives.
No doubt Joe has already done the calculating and he (or Tex) will point out the flaw!!
Gordon
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Post by Tex on Mar 9, 2005 12:13:08 GMT -6
Joe,
Does California charge full freight for ag fuel? In Texas, they sell it minus taxes for farm use. Also, if you use diesel, it's just #2 fuel oil.
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Post by Merlot Joe on Mar 9, 2005 13:00:41 GMT -6
Joe, Does California charge full freight for ag fuel? In Texas, they sell it minus taxes for farm use. Also, if you use diesel, it's just #2 fuel oil. Tex, I get the following taxes back at the end of the year on off highway use fuel for ag . I have to pay them first then request the refund (sucks doesn't it). We must meter our useage on or off road use to qualify, for the State refund, the Feds are not as picky. All Federal Tax .184 cents per gallon State Tax of .185 cents per gallon So I get about .37 cents per gallon back each year. That's all I get back and I have to pay the full sales tax. We use diesel # 2 in our tractors only since the are off road. That saves us about another .37 cents per gallon. On our trucks and pickups we use diesel #1. But even with these taxes given back, I still shake everytime I get the monthly fuel bill. Joe. |
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Post by Merlot Joe on Mar 9, 2005 13:17:04 GMT -6
Hey guys, thanks for the input but I need raw horse power to keep these baby's running. I have 12 wind machines with Ford 428's turning 350 horse power, turning 7 foot props at 2700 RPM. When we have all 12 running we sound like a fucking airport, along with everyone else in the valley. It would have to be one big fucking battery. I know some guys here have electric motors on their wind machines but the need 3 phase 220 electric power to get them running and they are not as efficient or effective as mine with the Fords running them. Not enough air movement due to smaller props and slower RPMS. We are covering about 120 of vineyards with those, the rest are done by overhead sprinklers on electric pumps. Here is a site for you to get an idea of what they are like. These are the newer up to date models on the site and are not like mine but it will give you an idea. Most of mine where built in the mid 70's to early 80's and the design has changed alot. www.amarillowind.comI'll answer a question before you guys ask it, why don't we ch-ch-change to the newer ones? These cost about $22,000 each installed and in running order. Mine cost between $4000 and $6000 each when we bought them, and they are paid for. Dam it Jake you are an engineer. Come up with something that would work for us and you could become a millionaire over night out here. Joe. |
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Post by Ardbeg... innit on Mar 9, 2005 13:53:14 GMT -6
Damn Joe... We got a bunch of those fans of yours here, except that they are catching the wind you are kicking up with those. HEY I do have an idea... you need a MEGA sized Ionic Breeze from Sharper Image!! No moving parts, Whisper quiet, you can probably get some credits for improving air quality, and "the negative ion flow, for cleaner fresher air" will be appreciated by those for miles around ;D  |
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Post by Merlot Joe on Mar 9, 2005 13:58:53 GMT -6
Damn Joe... We got a bunch of those fans of yours here, except that they are catching the wind you are kicking up with those. They are most likely look similar Gordon but I guarantee you they ain't the same. Joe I'll try anything as long as it' cheap and it works> |
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Post by Chicago Jake on Mar 9, 2005 14:10:29 GMT -6
Okay, Joe, please explain. How does wind help eliminate frost? When I'm standing on an el platform 20 feet in the air waiting for a train, the damn wind doesn't make ME feel any warmer! It's a wind CHILL, after all. So WTF is going on with your grapes? Just curious; the more I know, the better I can design you a good cheap solution.....Jake
P.S. - and one more question. It's March. You're in the same hemisphere as the rest of us (well, except Ozzie), so isn't the weather about to get warmer, not colder? Why don't you wait for fall to buy your gas when it *might* be cheaper?
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