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Post by Harrybutt on Apr 28, 2005 18:52:53 GMT -6
Well hell. Part of the "Axis of Evil" Has WMD and the capability to deliver it to the U.S....guess we are headed to war...can we afford it?
North Korea capable of firing nuclear-armed missile at US: US official 38 minutes ago
North Korea has the capability of mounting a nuclear warhead on its missiles that could hit the United States, a senior US defense official said.
Vice Admiral Lowell Jacoby, the head of the Defense Intelligence Agency, gave the assessment during a Congressional hearing.
Asked by Senator Hillary Clinton whether North Korea had the ability to arm a missile with a nuclear device, Jacoby said: "The assessment is that they have the capability to do that, yes, ma'am."
He said that North Korea also had the ability to deploy a two-stage intercontinental missile that could successfully hit US territory.
"Assessed to be within their capacity, yes," Jacoby told Clinton during the hearing on the defense intelligence budget of the US Senate Armed Services Committee.
North Korea said this month it had shut down its nuclear power plant at Yongbyon and was preparing to reprocess the plant's spent fuel, a move that could result in the production of enough plutonium to build up to six more nuclear bombs.
Reports quoting a US official said last week that the United States believed North Korea was planning to test a nuclear weapon and has asked China to intervene.
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Post by Exildo Wonsetler Briggs III on Apr 28, 2005 19:08:35 GMT -6
We've been living with this threat from the Soviet Union for the past 50 years. Of course, they don't exist anymore, but those missiles are somewhere.
If that idiot in North Korea decided to launch a missile against US, that poor little country would cease to exist in short order.
............Bob
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Post by Harrybutt on Apr 28, 2005 19:22:33 GMT -6
Obviously, what concerns me is that that the potential capability to hit the U.S. with a WMD was justification to invade Iraq(also part of the "Axis of Evil") Bush got to play tough cowboy then....what is the difference with North Korea, who has expressed no compunction about using it....seems to fit the bill for invasion according to GWB's criteria...
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Post by Exildo Wonsetler Briggs III on Apr 28, 2005 20:14:35 GMT -6
....what is the difference with North Korea,... North Korea is a rogue country run by a nut. North Korea doesn't have cells of fanatics waiting to unleash their hate against Amercian. The goon running that country is too busy worrying about his hair and push-up shoes. Muslim fundamentalism threatens us much more North Korea does. Our usual missile defense and mutual distruction will keep North Korea in check. Not so those nuts whose actions will lead to a melt-down of the ENTIRE REGION! It's coming time for the entire Arab world to cease to exist. A few years ago I would have never said that. It's now time to realize these idiots will never get it. FUCK "EM ALL!  |
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Post by Merlot Joe on Apr 28, 2005 20:59:41 GMT -6
Obviously, what concerns me is that that the potential capability to hit the U.S. with a WMD was justification to invade Iraq(also part of the "Axis of Evil") Bush got to play tough cowboy then....what is the difference with North Korea, who has expressed no compunction about using it....seems to fit the bill for invasion according to GWB's criteria... Blowing the same shit at us again HB. You record is broken buy a new one. This is a recording, this is a recording, the only fucking one you know!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Joe. |
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Post by ♥ COVID-19♥ on Apr 28, 2005 22:38:43 GMT -6
North Korea is a rogue country run by a nut. Wasn't that true of Iraq, also? North Korea doesn't have cells of fanatics waiting to unleash their hate against Amercian ... Muslim fundamentalism threatens us much more North Korea does. Maybe you're right -- but even still, I think they would be smart enough to enlist the aid of Al-Qaida to help them fight a common enemy. The other problem with battling North Korea is actually South Korea -- they don't think the little guy up North is the danger we do (nor do they seem to be aware of his treatment of his own people). South Korea thinks we're nuts for including the North in the Axis of Evil -- point being, I'm not so sure we could count on their support if/when it's needed by us (and it will be). It's coming time for the entire Arab world to cease to exist. As a New Yorker, I was screaming the same thing right after I watched the WTC towers collapse right outside my kitchen window in Brooklyn. But consider this: What about non - Muslim Arabs and non - Arab Muslims? Are they a threat to us also? I'm not so sure. And besides -- the CIA is having trouble recruiting Arab - speaking agents. So maybe this "entire Arab world" thing may not be the way to go in the long run? |
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Post by Harrybutt on Apr 29, 2005 5:01:28 GMT -6
Blowing the same shit at us again HB. You record is broken buy a new one. This is a recording, this is a recording, the only fucking one you know!!!!!!!!!!!!! Joe. Insightful, intelligent and well thought out response, jd. You exceeded all expectations.  |
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Post by Merlot Joe on Apr 29, 2005 7:35:36 GMT -6
Insightful, intelligent and well thought out response, jd. You exceeded all expectations. No more than your broken record post time after time after time. You must have terrible headaches everytime you type that same response. Come up with something new and maybe I might just respond to it with something a little different. Joe. |
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Post by Chicago Jake on Apr 29, 2005 9:33:31 GMT -6
I agree with Bob. WMDs had nothing to do with the invasion of Iraq, Harry, they were just part of the PR package. We invaded them to begin the process of stabilizing a region that is fully capable of, and willing to, attack Americans on American soil. Note that I didn't say Iraq attacked us, just that they are our entry point for the stabilization process.
Kim Jong Mentally Ill has shown no such inclination, has his own problems, and does not have an unending supply of martyrs at his service. Totally different situation.
That said, I'd still like to see them wiped off the globe, along with the Middle Eastern fanatics......Jake
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Post by Merlot Joe on Apr 29, 2005 12:16:20 GMT -6
. WMDs had nothing to do with the invasion of Iraq, Harry, they were just part of the PR package. We invaded them to begin the process of stabilizing a region that is fully capable of, and willing to, attack Americans on American soil. Note that I didn't say Iraq attacked us, just that they are our entry point for the stabilization process. Jake Jake you are wearing the skin off of you fingers typing trying to explain it to him. Forget it , he can not grasp the concept. The standard reply will be , " But we attacked Iraq for WMD why not the same with North Korea?" How many times have we seen that reply or statement made in the past year? Joe. |
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Post by Chicago Jake on Apr 29, 2005 12:33:28 GMT -6
You are right, of course, Joe. But as a professional educator, I have to try to enlighten the lad. You know, "no liberal left behind" as BB would say......Professor Jake
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Post by Harrybutt on Apr 29, 2005 12:51:33 GMT -6
I think Bob's response was excellent. Nice to see him exercise the mind. It's the first substantive response I have gotten to the question.
I understand what Bob is sayin and believe that , practically speaking, that is the reasoning or very damn close to it.
My continuing problem with the administration's policy is that they drew a line on the sand and have had to back peddle when the bluff is called. I have less problem with the talk if it is backed up with the walk....don't threaten what your ass can't back up. China already believes us to be a "Paper Tiger" and always has....this ignoring the Korean situation just bears that out....
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Post by Harrybutt on Apr 29, 2005 12:54:14 GMT -6
I agree with Bob. WMDs had nothing to do with the invasion of Iraq, Harry, they were just part of the PR package. We invaded them to begin the process of stabilizing a region that is fully capable of, and willing to, attack Americans on American soil. Damn, that admission was a long time in coming....PR package is the new euphemism for lying, I see. |
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Post by Ardbeg... innit on Apr 29, 2005 13:00:39 GMT -6
....don't threaten what your ass can't back up. Already anticipating the fun BB will have with THIS one... |
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Post by Chicago Jake on Apr 29, 2005 13:53:40 GMT -6
.....Damn, that admission was a long time in coming... Harry, I've said that all along. Don't lump me in with the Republicans in your little black and white world. I'm a conservative, but not a party sycophant. And I disagree that it was a lie. The whole world believed that Iraq had WMDs as you well know. I'm just saying that it wasn't the main motivation, but was used to help sell the idea of the war. But you know all this, you're just being a pain in the ass.....Jake |
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Post by Harrybutt on Apr 29, 2005 15:11:47 GMT -6
But you know all this, you're just being a pain in the ass.....Jake No Jake, I am disagreeing with you. THAT is the obvious pain in the ass. |
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Post by That English Guy on Apr 29, 2005 15:33:57 GMT -6
The whole world believed that Iraq had WMDs as you well know Because that's what our governments were telling us. At the time of the invasion the UN weapons inspectors were telling our governments there was no evidence of WMDs. Simon |
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Post by Tex on Apr 29, 2005 16:12:14 GMT -6
Because that's what our governments were telling us. At the time of the invasion the UN weapons inspectors were telling our governments there was no evidence of WMDs. Simon And I suppose that's the problem of having a hopelessly corrupt UN... when they tell the truth, no one believes them. I don't doubt that there are some very dedicated and able people working at the UN, but when the boss is on the take, it taints the credibility of the whole organization. |
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Post by Exildo Wonsetler Briggs III on Apr 29, 2005 16:35:12 GMT -6
Because that's what our governments were telling us. At the time of the invasion the UN weapons inspectors were telling our governments there was no evidence of WMDs. Simon Oh, would that be the SAME UN that said Iraqi oil would go to buy food?  This isn't rocket science. Iraq USED WMDs against Iran. EVERY FUCKING COUNTRY with ANY intelligence said THEY HAD THEM. JESUS H. CHRIST We were TOLD by the President of Egypt, the FUCKING KING OF JORDAN and others that IRAQ HAD WMDs! You would have to be NUCKING FUTS to ignore that SHIT! Laimbrain'ed FUCKING LIB'RULS make my nuts hurt! Gotta go scratch my balls...... ................Bob  |
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Post by That English Guy on Apr 29, 2005 16:49:11 GMT -6
JESUS H. CHRIST We were TOLD by the President of Egypt, the FUCKING KING OF JORDAN and others that IRAQ HAD WMDs! You would have to be NUCKING FUTS to ignore that SHIT! Now you're taking the word of Arabs... the same American hating Arabs who's world you already said should cease to exist Bob, you're nothing if not inconsistent. Simon |
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Post by Exildo Wonsetler Briggs III on Apr 29, 2005 17:00:07 GMT -6
Bob, you're nothing if not inconsistent. Simon Give me a FUCKING BREAK! Imagine you are POTUS. You send your Secretary of State to the Mid-East on Recon. Your Secretary of State is told by every leader he meets with that Iraq has WMDs. Only a STUPID IDIOT would ignore that intel. Simon, the only thing you demonstrate is that you are a great MONDAY MORNING QUARTERBACK!  In a land of soccer, I'm assuming you know what that means, which could be quite wrong of me. .................Bob ;D |
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Post by That English Guy on Apr 29, 2005 17:18:25 GMT -6
You send your Secretary of State to the Mid-East on Recon. Your Secretary of State is told by every leader he meets with that Iraq has WMDs. Only a STUPID IDIOT would ignore that intel. Simon, the only thing you demonstrate is that you are a great MONDAY MORNING QUARTERBACK! In a land of soccer, I'm assuming you know what that means, which could be quite wrong of me. Sorry Bob, but if you want me on side I have to go with your original position that the Arab world should cease to exist. After all, they hate America and freedom so I can't be expected to trust them any further than I could throw them, which would probably be further in your ball throwing nation than in my own football (not soccer ) worshiping country where the ball is played with the foot and not the hand. As for a monday morning quarterback, I have no idea what that is, but I do believe I may have sprung the offside trap ;D Simon |
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Post by Harrybutt on Apr 29, 2005 17:32:22 GMT -6
Now you're taking the word of Arabs... the same American hating Arabs who's world you already said should cease to exist Bob, you're nothing if not inconsistent. Simon Excellent point Simon. I believe the root of the WMD evil can be found with Chalabi and the desire to believe any shred of evidence that they excisted. He played the governets the tune they wanted most to hear. Even our own state department disgreed with the conclusivness of the evidence...esp. as it got closer to the invasion. I have yet to see anyone post why the invasion HAD to happen when it did. Regardless, Bush laid out the criteria for the invasion and I would ove to find out how it is NK doesn't fit it. Bob has given the most rational answer yet. I must forward it on to Lou |
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Post by Merlot Joe on Apr 29, 2005 17:41:38 GMT -6
I have yet to see anyone post why the invasion HAD to happen when it did. Because that's when the President and his militray advisors planned to do it. Who really knows. None of us are privileged to that type of inside infomation. Anything would be just a guess. Why don't you write the White House and ask them. Again no one here is privileged to the information. Anything would be a guess. When you find out from the White House you can let us all know. Tell Lou to get is ass back here. ;D Stop asking people who are not in the wheel of things happening why something did. Go directly to the source if you want to know that bad. Joe. |
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Post by That English Guy on Apr 29, 2005 17:42:34 GMT -6
And I suppose that's the problem of having a hopelessly corrupt UN... when they tell the truth, no one believes them. I don't doubt that there are some very dedicated and able people working at the UN, but when the boss is on the take, it taints the credibility of the whole organization. I don't recall any doubts at the time about the honesty of Hans Blix, at least not on this side of the Atlantic. In spite of the 'doubts' hanging over the UN our governments were supplying Blix with information he needed about potential sites, then rushed to war before allowing him to finish investigating those sites and completing his work. Had he been allowed to do so, and exposed Iraq as no longer being a nation to be feared in the Arab world and certainly not a threat to the west, then of course there could have been no invasion. And it's the UN that is corrupt?? Simon |
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Post by Chicago Jake on Apr 29, 2005 18:12:48 GMT -6
I have yet to see anyone post why the invasion HAD to happen when it did. Yeah, twelve years of violating agreements just wasn't enough time. We should have waited at least 24 years. Regardless, Bush laid out the criteria for the invasion and I would ove to find out how it is NK doesn't fit it. Read my post above (my, you have a short memory, Memento-boy) about not being in a region that needs stabilizing, and not having an endless supply of zealous would-be martyrs......Jake |
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Post by Merlot Joe on Apr 29, 2005 19:31:02 GMT -6
We keep rehashing the same thing over and over and over.
This topic has been discussed twice on this Board since we started in January, and was discussed it Christ knows how many times on Denny's board, and all I see is the same questions with the same answers from the same people.
Saddam is a nut. If left in power even if no WMD, he had the funds, the knowledge, the connections, and the space, to finance, assemble, train and put a larger terrorist network together to strike directly at the USA.
If any of you out there that think he would not have done that, you need to stop smelling the roses and get a reality check.
If left in power, the odds are we would be fighting more terrorist actions here than we would ever had dreamed about.
WMD or no WMD, he had to go.
North Korea has not threatened us with a terrorist strike or even a nuclear strike. That little nut over there likes to hear himself make noise, and right now that's all he is doing. He knows if he tried a nuclear strike that we would wipe him and his off the face of the earth. I don't think he is that stupid.
But apparently there are liberals here that are. I see them as a bigger threat than North Korea.
Joe
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Post by Exildo Wonsetler Briggs III on Apr 29, 2005 19:56:07 GMT -6
In spite of the 'doubts' hanging over the UN our governments were supplying Blix with information he needed about potential sites, then rushed to war before allowing him to finish investigating those sites and completing his work. Had he been allowed to do so, and exposed Iraq as no longer being a nation to be feared in the Arab world and certainly not a threat to the west, then of course there could have been no invasion. And it's the UN that is corrupt?? Simon GREAT GOD in HEAVEN! Simon, do you REALLY believe this war was ONLY about WMDs? IMHO, that was concocted by Bush to get idiot Lib'ruls to go along with the war, since CLINTON (God HIMSELF to Lib'ruls) declared US policy was to RID IRAQ OF SADDAM and his WMDs. Those with more than 4 functioning brain cells (which DOESN'T include Hillary) realized a fundamental ch-ch-change was necessary in the Middle East. Either they ch-ch-change, or they cease to exist. Bush was being a compassionant President giving them a chance and not blowing them into the stone-age. Ain't he great? .............Bob |
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Post by Harrybutt on Apr 29, 2005 21:36:07 GMT -6
We keep rehashing the same thing over and over and over. This topic has been discussed twice on this Board since we started in January, and was discussed it Christ knows how many times on Denny's board, and all I see is the same questions with the same answers from the same people. Saddam is a nut. If left in power even if no WMD, he had the funds, the knowledge, the connections, and the space, to finance, assemble, train and put a larger terrorist network together to strike directly at the USA. If any of you out there that think he would not have done that, you need to stop smelling the roses and get a reality check. If left in power, the odds are we would be fighting more terrorist actions here than we would ever had dreamed about. WMD or no WMD, he had to go. North Korea has not threatened us with a terrorist strike or even a nuclear strike. That little nut over there likes to hear himself make noise, and right now that's all he is doing. He knows if he tried a nuclear strike that we would wipe him and his off the face of the earth. I don't think he is that stupid. But apparently there are liberals here that are. I see them as a bigger threat than North Korea. Joe Ok, I can go along with that. No more discussion of Iraq or our foreign policy. No one here is in the know and thoughts and opinions mean nothing. At least we are getting the parameters of this forum hashed out. |
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Post by Merlot Joe on Apr 29, 2005 23:10:48 GMT -6
Ok, I can go along with that. No more discussion of Iraq or our foreign policy. No one here is in the know and thoughts and opinions mean nothing. Just were in the fucking hell did I say no more discussions on Iraq or Foreign policy? Do they not teach you Southerners to read in Alabama? Do you always go touch far extremes on issues? Again you run off half cocked with no idea if what you say.  Shit Hb, how many times are you going to beat the same dead horse in the ground. You done the same thing with Iran when the nuke business came up and you have done it a couple of times before with North Korea. I give you credit you can give some old ladies a run for their money bitching about the same thing over and over.  Use some common sense, and look at what's going on. The situation in Iraq is totally different from North Korea. There are millions of wacko's in the middle east, Saddam was one of them that needed to be removed. He did not know his boundaries. Only one wacko in North Korea who knows his boundaries. I told you earlier in this thread, if you want to know so fucking bad why don't you write the White House and ask them yourself? But no you ignored that. Joe. |
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