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Post by Chicago Jake on Jul 13, 2007 23:20:30 GMT -6
Hi Gang - I'm not much of a sports dude by any stretch, but I still enjoy a trip to Wrigley Field to watch the Chicago Cubs once in a while (that's baseball, to our non-USA members). As Jack Brickhouse always said, you can't beat fun out at the old ball park! Today, I took my trusty camera and did my best to photo-document the experience. It was a beautiful day; upper seventies and partly cloudy. Summer in Chicago is beautiful, especially when it falls on a weekend! Anyway, your first glimpse of the Friendly Confines is from the corner of Clark and Addison: We settled into our seats on the third base line. The first order of business, of course, was a cold Old Style: The weather was great and the field was in fine condition: Wrigley still employs an old-fashioned hand-operated scoreboard, with actual cards with numbers placed by hand by some minion deep inside. The numbers are in yellow during the inning when they are only "so far" and replaced with white when the inning ends. Here is a pic of the full scoreboard early in the game, and a closeup on the game score when the Cubs drew "first blood" in the fourth inning: Wrigley is smack dab in the middle of a residential neighborhood, full of four-flats and Victorian greystones. Many of them watch the games from their roofs! This particular one likes to track the strike-outs during the game, especially on those few days per year when Kerry "Balsa" Wood is healthy and playing: Zambrano was on the mound, and threw brilliantly. Of course, on such a perfect and romantic afternoon, young love is bound to bloom: The foul poles were adorned with a tribute to legendary sportscaster Jack Brickhouse, famous for his "Hey Hey!" catchphrase: Four Cubbies have had their numbers retired, and they are commemorated by flying on flags from the tops of the foul poles. Trust me, if I wasn't using a digital camera with virtually unlimited disk space, I wouldn't have wasted all the shots it took to get these. I also won't bother to tell you the names and numbers of the four players; you probably either already know, or don't give a shit: The Cubs beat the Disastros 6-0. Houston committed so many errors, they looked like they were trying to out-Cub the Cubs! Many years ago, before you could get the ball scores on your cell phone, commuters on the el train would be wizzing past Wrigley and wondering how the afternoon games went. So the team started hoisting either a white W flag, or a black L flag after the game that could be seen from the nearby train. I'm sure they wore out many more black flags than white flags over the years, but today they had the privilege of hosting the white one: On the way out of the park, I stopped to photograph the statue of the other legendary sportscaster, Harry Carey. It is kind of disturbing, with the little heads sprouting out of his thighs and all, but other than that is a pretty good likeness: Well, that was my day at the old ball park. Hope you enjoyed the pics as much as I enjoyed taking them........Jake, your humble correspondent.
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Post by ♥ COVID-19♥ on Jul 13, 2007 23:44:04 GMT -6
Jake, as a long-time baseball fan -- and one who certainly appreciates the great game's history -- thank you so much for these wonderful photos.
While I may have paid a few visits to Yankee Stadium over the years, the other historic parks (Wrigley in Chicago, Fenway in Boston and Candlestick in SF, to name a few) have escaped me. Hopefully, one summer, I will be able to visit each of these Cathedrals To The Great Sport and enjoy a game or two in their famed ballpark before "progress" takes them from us.
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Post by Chicago Jake on Jul 14, 2007 0:19:48 GMT -6
Jake, as a long-time baseball fan -- and one who certainly appreciates the great game's history -- thank you so much for these wonderful photos. While I may have paid a few visits to Yankee Stadium over the years, the other historic parks (Wrigley in Chicago, Fenway in Boston and Candlestick in SF, to name a few) have escaped me. Hopefully, one summer, I will be able to visit each of these Cathedrals To The Great Sport and enjoy a game or two in their famed ballpark before "progress" takes them from us. Beeb - in 8,797 posts, that may be your very first totally sincere one! I'm honored. Come to Chicago, and I'll personally escort you to the shrine on Addison Street. Then we can visit the approximately 9,000,000 taverns between Wrigley and my house two miles south on the way home......Jake
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Post by edie2u on Jul 14, 2007 5:42:51 GMT -6
Hey Jake, what a wonderful thread. The pictures are great. I especially enjoyed the one with the house that had stadium seats mounted on the roof! Very Cool!
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Post by innit Geezer on Jul 14, 2007 7:31:21 GMT -6
I coach junior level baseball (13-14 year olds) and that time on the field with the kids, is my respite from the stressful work week. Just looking at these photos is relaxing to me.
As BB suggests, progress sometimes (lots of times really) loses the qualities of simple ways and tradition like the manual scoreboard and win/loss flag.
Nice collection of pictures and overview Jake, thanks for sharing.
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Post by jo on Jul 14, 2007 8:03:13 GMT -6
Great pictures, Jake. I really like the one of the guy with his arm around his girlfriend, aaaahhhh, young love.
I also agree with BB about "progress". I really believe that the demise of the Montreal Expos began the year they moved from Jarry Park, which was a good old fashioned ball park, full of spirit and ambiance to the monstrosity that is the Olympic Stadium (the Big Owe). The atmosphere was never the same and it killed the team.
JO
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Post by DT on Jul 14, 2007 8:46:38 GMT -6
Jake, as a long-time baseball fan -- and one who certainly appreciates the great game's history -- thank you so much for these wonderful photos. While I may have paid a few visits to Yankee Stadium over the years, the other historic parks (Wrigley in Chicago, Fenway in Boston and Candlestick in SF, to name a few) have escaped me. Hopefully, one summer, I will be able to visit each of these Cathedrals To The Great Sport and enjoy a game or two in their famed ballpark before "progress" takes them from us. Ditto Fenway is the only historic park I haven't been to. I don't see Fenway or Wrigley (ever) being torn down like Comiskey Park, Busch Memorial Stadium and soon Yankee Stadium. Great pics from a "I'm not much of a sports dude" and a great day for baseball yesterday was. Not only weather wise. Cubs won, the Brewers lost. Leaving the Cubs 3.5 games out of first. Go Cubs!!!!!! Wow, What a shame. I have found that the spirit of the Cardinals in their new stadium, has not wavered. (even with the Cards not playing .500 ball) The old (Sox) Comiskey Park vs Cellular Field is more in line to what you are saying.
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Post by Kawaii Kaiju on Jul 14, 2007 9:35:08 GMT -6
All I can say is "Wow! You sure got a lot packed into the first hour and twenty minutes of the day! Our weather here in Minnesota wasn't nearly as light at that time of day."
Zilla (kisses to you, and I agree, the bottom of that Harry Carey statue kind of creeps me out too)
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Post by Irish Stu on Jul 14, 2007 15:43:28 GMT -6
Great pictures Jake and an interesting insight for a non-American into one of your national sports. I have to agree too that the heads around the bottom of the statue are very disturbing. Any idea who they are and how such a creepy design was chosen?
Simon
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Post by Chicago Jake on Jul 14, 2007 16:48:54 GMT -6
Simon - the statue depicts Harry leaning out of the broadcast booth, leading the crowd in a rousing rendition of "Take Me Out To The Ballgame," which he did every game during the "seventh inning stretch" (a brief time-out in the middle of the seventh inning). He's holding out the microphone to allegedly pick up the joyful sound of singing from the inebriated fans. So I can only guess that the little heads are supposed to represent the fans in the stands down below the broadcast booth. Anyway, that's my theory, for what it's worth.
By the by, since Harry croaked a few years ago, they have been bringing in guest singers to lead the crowd in the song every game; usually some minor celebrity that is visiting town for some reason. Yesterday when we were there, local-boy Jim Belushi was the guest crooner......Jake (who, unlike Zilla apparently, doesn't believe that it is "tomorrow" if you haven't gone to bed yet, even if it is past midnight)
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Post by Cherbunny on Jul 14, 2007 17:45:15 GMT -6
Thanks for the trip down memory lane.
When I was a kid and living in the Windy City, I was a huge Cubs fan. I remember watching Ernie Banks hit his 500th homer. Ernie was my favorite Cubbie. Ron Santo... I remember his name, but that's it.
One of these days I'll have to take a trip back and see the sights again.
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Post by Kawaii Kaiju on Jul 14, 2007 18:37:26 GMT -6
Jake (who, unlike Zilla apparently, doesn't believe that it is "tomorrow" if you haven't gone to bed yet, even if it is past midnight) Dude, you were the one implying you took those pictures on a trip to Wrigley Field on July 14th, not I. Zilla (who is glad to know that the Cubs are gonna win a game "today" if I can rely on Jake's report)
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Post by Exildo Wonsetler Briggs III on Jul 14, 2007 21:45:29 GMT -6
Jake (who, unlike Zilla apparently, doesn't believe that it is "tomorrow" if you haven't gone to bed yet, even if it is past midnight) Dude, you were the one implying you took those pictures on a trip to Wrigley Field on July 14th, not I. Zilla (who is glad to know that the Cubs are gonna win a game "today" if I can rely on Jake's report) For someone who is always pointing out she doesn't live in a "black and white" world, you surely seem unable to see shades of gray. Hemorrhoids dropping down for a visit? Can't you just enjoy the pictures? Thanks for the pix, Jake. I enjoyed LOOKING at them and could NOT care less the date they were taken.
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Post by Exildo Wonsetler Briggs III on Jul 14, 2007 21:52:49 GMT -6
Great pictures Jake and an interesting insight for a non-American into one of your national sports. Simon I'm sure you'll be shocked - SHOCKED, to learn that fans for each team sit together and are not separated! I was at a baseball game once when behind me, an American was filling his British friend in on the game, what it was all about, etc. After explaining how the game worked, the Brit asked, "where are the opposing fans sitting?" He seemed taken aback that we were all sitting together!! ..........Bob (who has had times he wanted to kill Yankees fans, and will get that chance tomorrow (Sunday) when the beloved but dastardly poor Devil Rays take on the Yanks!)
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Post by ♥ COVID-19♥ on Jul 14, 2007 23:14:39 GMT -6
Beeb - in 8,797 posts, that may be your very first totally sincere one! I'm honored. You may have missed a half dozen or so. But at 8700+ posts, who's counting? ... and Candlestick in SF, to name a few ... For those of you who may have noticed my major league brain fart here, thank you for not pointing it out! Obviously, the Giants no longer play at The Stick, but at AT&T Park (which should probably be renamed to Balco Field, but please don't get me started on that one ... ) ... where the All-Star Game was just played this past week ... which, of course I watched (along with the Homerun Derby) ... DOH! Can't believe I made that goof-up! Shows you how much I still live in my adolescence, I guess ... -- BB (who is sure that if Merlot Joe were home instead of here in NYC, he would've caught my mistake)
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Post by Chicago Jake on Jul 14, 2007 23:54:42 GMT -6
. ....When I was a kid and living in the Windy City, I was a huge Cubs fan. I remember watching Ernie Banks hit his 500th homer. Ernie was my favorite Cubbie. Ron Santo... I remember his name, but that's it...... When I was an eleven year old kid, before I lost my love for sports, I lived to worship the Cubbies. Ron Santo was my all-time favorite. He was amazing at third base. (For Simon and others: third base in on the left side of the infield; right-handed batters tended to bat their balls in that direction, so the third-baseman had a lot to do. He had to scoop it up and throw it to first base, on the opposite side of the field, in a hurry to get the "out" for his team. It was a grueling position to play. Still is, I suppose.) Not only was he very good at his position, but he was a great home run slugger, handsome, well spoken, and had a cool name. And he played all this while battling Type I Diabetes (actually, I think that was the only Type they had in those days). Nowadays Santo is the Cubs radio announcer, and has lost both of his legs to his disease. But he is still my hero.......Jake
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Post by Kawaii Kaiju on Jul 15, 2007 6:37:54 GMT -6
For someone who is always pointing out she doesn't live in a "black and white" world, you surely seem unable to see shades of gray. Hemorrhoids dropping down for a visit? Can't you just enjoy the pictures? Thanks for the pix, Jake. I enjoyed LOOKING at them and could NOT care less the date they were taken. Awwwww, poor DrBob, Saturday night with nothing better to do than look for a fight on a message board. Since you feel the need to jump in, please also feel free to explain the shades of gray in "Trip to Wrigley Field, July 14 2007" so that it means "Trip to Wrigley Field, July 13 2007". I could just enjoy the pictures, but I also wanted to lightly tease my friendly acquaintance, Jake, about the date issue. My second response was trying to show him that I wasn't playing with his use of the word "Today" in the wee hours of the morning, but his use of "July 14". Jake, nice history on Santo (and description of third base duties)! I was a hockey fanatic growing up, so the only thing I knew about baseball was that the Cardinals were the team I should root for. While true sports fans knew summer was for baseball, my brother and I thought summer was for roller hockey Getting a glimmer of information about the baseball legends of yesteryear helps make up the gaps left by my youthful folly. Zilla (who apologizes to DrBob for not being available for him last night when he really apparently needed me)
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Post by Irish Stu on Jul 15, 2007 7:10:17 GMT -6
Great pictures Jake and an interesting insight for a non-American into one of your national sports. Simon I'm sure you'll be shocked - SHOCKED, to learn that fans for each team sit together and are not separated! I was at a baseball game once when behind me, an American was filling his British friend in on the game, what it was all about, etc. After explaining how the game worked, the Brit asked, "where are the opposing fans sitting?" He seemed taken aback that we were all sitting together!! ..........Bob (who has had times he wanted to kill Yankees fans, and will get that chance tomorrow (Sunday) when the beloved but dastardly poor Devil Rays take on the Yanks!) Bob, sadly hooliganism has been around at football matches almost as long as the game itself. In the main most supporters would be happy to sit with their rivals to watch a match, and in fact will often drink together in local bars and clubs before, and after, at the game. Unfortunately though a small minority are sometimes intent on causing trouble. In recent times, however, football hooliganism has moved on from the media hysteria of the 1970s, 1980s and early 1990's. At this time football hooligans thought they were having "a bit of a laugh" with activities like verbally abusing opposition fans and goading them into a fight in the stadium. Due to ch-ch-changes in the laws in the 1990's, particularly the introduction of all seater stadia after the Hillsborough disaster, hooligan activity has almost completely been removed from inside the stadiums. Although a hardcore does remain, most violence occurs outside, and the internet and cell phones are used to organise fights between rival groups of hooligans (or 'firms' as they are known). These fights often take place well away from the stadiums and the watchful eyes of the cops. The movie 'Green Street Hooligans' gives a good insight into how these firms operate, the mindset of these hooligans who are often family men with jobs, and why they are attracted to this kind of violence. It stars Elijah Wood as an American in London who is drawn into this violent sub-strata of society. I watched it the other week and found it to be a very interesting and accurate portrayal. This is what Roger Ebert had to say about it in the Chigago Sun Times : I can recommend watching it, if only out of morbid curiousity. Simon (whose favourite quote in the movie is when the young American is warned by one of the hooligans 'Never, ever refer to the game as soccer!!' )
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Post by Chicago Jake on Jul 15, 2007 11:28:13 GMT -6
Sounds like a fascinating film, Simon. Kind of reminds me of "Fight Club" in some ways. I might have to rent it. Thanks for the recommendation.
There isn't much hooliganism or anything like it at a Cubs game. It is very good natured and gentle and pastoral. Especially since the Cubs generally suck and nobody expects them to win anyway. They are more like entertainers at a party where everyone is drinking and having fun than a main event that you really care about.
And Zilla - I didn't notice until just now that I had put "July 14" in the thread title when I meant "July 13" - duh! That's why I didn't get your too-subtle jab. Sorry about that!.......Jake
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Post by Kawaii Kaiju on Jul 15, 2007 11:53:14 GMT -6
And Zilla - I didn't notice until just now that I had put "July 14" in the thread title when I meant "July 13" - duh! That's why I didn't get your too-subtle jab. Sorry about that!.......Jake I thought so It's okay, I'm only razzing you cuz I like you. Zilla (who is from the midwest, so gentle teasing *is* a form of showing affection)
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Post by Irish Stu on Jul 15, 2007 14:22:30 GMT -6
Sounds like a fascinating film, Simon. Kind of reminds me of "Fight Club" in some ways. I might have to rent it. Thanks for the recommendation I hope you get a chance to watch it Jake. I'd love to hear your perspective on it. Simon
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Post by Exildo Wonsetler Briggs III on Jul 15, 2007 17:19:32 GMT -6
Awwwww, poor DrBob, Saturday night with nothing better to do than look for a fight on a message board. Not at all, Zilla. I thought I would engage in some "gentle teasing" of my friends, you know, to show my affection for them. It's a Southern thing. .........Bob
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Post by Exildo Wonsetler Briggs III on Jul 15, 2007 17:27:04 GMT -6
I can recommend watching it, if only out of morbid curiousity. Simon (whose favourite quote in the movie is when the young American is warned by one of the hooligans 'Never, ever refer to the game as soccer!!' ) Sounds interesting, Simon. I'll add it to my list of "to see" films. The baseball game between the Devil Rays and The Yankees today was a very good game and went right down to the wire. Alas, the Rays lost, but they put up a very good battle. It's always interesting watching the Yanks 'cuz they have such rabid fans. In fact, it's not unusual to have more Yankee fans than Devil Ray fans for home games, which pretty much tells you what you need to know about how well the Rays play baseball. The most exciting incident was when a foul ball hit the upper deck behind home plate then flew right into the side of the head of this poor fellow, who took the full brunt of the hit. He was nearly bald, an within minutes you could see this huge goose-egg on the side of his head. They finally brought him some ice, but after about 10 minutes the officials escorted him out as he still looked dazed. OOOUUUCCHH!!!! (I won't mention that he was a Yankee fan!!) (actually, I hope he is OK . . . it was not a pretty sight). ............Bob
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Post by Kawaii Kaiju on Jul 15, 2007 17:29:11 GMT -6
Not at all, Zilla. I thought I would engage in some "gentle teasing" of my friends, you know, to show my affection for them. It's a Southern thing. .........Bob Ah, if that is the case, in the future you might want to avoid using the rolling of the eyes when gently teasing. It denotes mockery, impatience, or downright fed-upness to me. If you use the rolling of the eyes, I will *always* guess that you mean something truly derogatory, and not friendly at all. Zilla (wondering when I became a friend, or if you were even referring to me at all)
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Post by USW Local 1010 on Jul 17, 2007 14:24:10 GMT -6
Jake (who, unlike Zilla apparently, doesn't believe that it is "tomorrow" if you haven't gone to bed yet, even if it is past midnight) Dude, you were the one implying you took those pictures on a trip to Wrigley Field on July 14th, not I. Zilla (who is glad to know that the Cubs are gonna win a game "today" if I can rely on Jake's report) Help me out here? You say "The weather was great and the field was in fine condition" I was at Wrigley last night and the field wasn't even close to being in fine condition and no where near the condition your pic shows. Read it and weep WEASEL!!!! Wrigley Field roughed up by The Police July 12, 2007 CHICAGO (AP) -Sting was at Wrigley Field while the Cubs were on the road last week and now center field at the neighborhood ballpark is looking a bit rough. As the Cubs held a workout Thursday before resuming play Friday after the All-Star break, the grass in center field was discolored and the turf appeared to have numerous divots in it - the remnants of two Police concerts last week. ``It's a little messy. Sometimes it'll happen and you have to make the adjustment,'' Cubs center fielder Angel Pagan said after testing the area, some of which appeared to have been re-sodded. ``The grass is thick,'' Pagan said. ``The ball is going to bounce a little more and snake a little more. I was getting power shagging today so I can get used to it. Tomorrow we have a game, and I might be in there. You've got to get to know it today so tomorrow it won't be a problem.'' Manager Lou Piniella said it was playable and there were a few spots where grass had to be replaced and painted. ``It's not dangerous at all,'' said Piniella, whose team trails Milwaukee by 4 1/2 games in the NL Central. The Cubs host Houston on Friday. Cliff Floyd was told what caused the rough area. ``Oh, that's what happened, they had a concert here,'' Floyd said. ``It can't be worse than it was. We'll deal with it. ... I played in Shea Stadium, you deal with conditions the way they are. If they are messed up a little bit, so what?'' General manager Jim Hendry said it was obvious that there needed to be some work done to the area in center when team officials first saw it this week. ``But I think for the most part it seemed to survive,'' he said. Hendry said he doesn't oppose having concerts at the second oldest park in the majors. Jimmy Buffet played at Wrigley last year. ``I think it's fine. I don't think you want one every week,'' Hendry said. ``But I certainly think it has value and certainly since the Buffet thing, as a general manager's viewpoint where some of the money is certainly going into the payroll, so I'm all for that.'' Catcher Geovany Soto worked out with the team and will be promoted from Triple-A Iowa on Friday when outfielder Felix Pie is optioned to the Cubs' top farm club before their game against the Astros. AP NEWS The Associated Press News Service Copyright 2007 The Associated Press All Rights Reserved Duh, you are out of dates to pick. Now what? psssst..... Zilla, I admire your ability to see when a post doesn't look straight up and call the poster on it. As you can see. This one isn't.
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Post by Chicago Jake on Jul 17, 2007 14:34:14 GMT -6
You are correct, Mr. Too-Chickenshit-to-sign-my-name, I was deliberately lying to the entire board, just to advance my own selfish agenda of... of... oh, whatever it is that I'm trying to selfishly do. But I wasn't smart enough to slide it by you, was I! Curses!!......Jake (wondering whatever happened to the plug in the jug?)
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Post by Exildo Wonsetler Briggs III on Jul 17, 2007 14:46:49 GMT -6
Dude, you were the one implying you took those pictures on a trip to Wrigley Field on July 14th, not I. Zilla (who is glad to know that the Cubs are gonna win a game "today" if I can rely on Jake's report) Help me out here? You say "The weather was great and the field was in fine condition" I was at Wrigley last night and the field wasn't even close to being in fine condition and no where near the condition your pic shows. Read it and weep WEASEL!!!! Wrigley Field roughed up by The Police July 12, 2007 CHICAGO (AP) -Sting was at Wrigley Field while the Cubs were on the road last week and now center field at the neighborhood ballpark is looking a bit rough. As the Cubs held a workout Thursday before resuming play Friday after the All-Star break, the grass in center field was discolored and the turf appeared to have numerous divots in it - the remnants of two Police concerts last week. ``It's a little messy. Sometimes it'll happen and you have to make the adjustment,'' Cubs center fielder Angel Pagan said after testing the area, some of which appeared to have been re-sodded. ``The grass is thick,'' Pagan said. ``The ball is going to bounce a little more and snake a little more. I was getting power shagging today so I can get used to it. Tomorrow we have a game, and I might be in there. You've got to get to know it today so tomorrow it won't be a problem.'' Manager Lou Piniella said it was playable and there were a few spots where grass had to be replaced and painted. ``It's not dangerous at all,'' said Piniella, whose team trails Milwaukee by 4 1/2 games in the NL Central. The Cubs host Houston on Friday. Cliff Floyd was told what caused the rough area. ``Oh, that's what happened, they had a concert here,'' Floyd said. ``It can't be worse than it was. We'll deal with it. ... I played in Shea Stadium, you deal with conditions the way they are. If they are messed up a little bit, so what?'' General manager Jim Hendry said it was obvious that there needed to be some work done to the area in center when team officials first saw it this week. ``But I think for the most part it seemed to survive,'' he said. Hendry said he doesn't oppose having concerts at the second oldest park in the majors. Jimmy Buffet played at Wrigley last year. ``I think it's fine. I don't think you want one every week,'' Hendry said. ``But I certainly think it has value and certainly since the Buffet thing, as a general manager's viewpoint where some of the money is certainly going into the payroll, so I'm all for that.'' Catcher Geovany Soto worked out with the team and will be promoted from Triple-A Iowa on Friday when outfielder Felix Pie is optioned to the Cubs' top farm club before their game against the Astros. AP NEWS The Associated Press News Service Copyright 2007 The Associated Press All Rights Reserved Duh, you are out of dates to pick. Now what? psssst..... Zilla, I admire your ability to see when a post doesn't look straight up and call the poster on it. As you can see. This one isn't. Having a bad day, DT?? (Is the rolleye thingie OK here, Zilla?)
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Post by ♥ COVID-19♥ on Jul 17, 2007 14:47:53 GMT -6
Ah, the infamous Weather Controversy storms on. Get it? Weather - storms? BAHAHAHAHA! I ***LOVE*** it when I do that!!!
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Post by Kawaii Kaiju on Jul 17, 2007 14:49:58 GMT -6
Interesting, re-looking at the pictures it does look like there might be a little re-sodding done there at the pitcher's mound. Does anyone else see that difference in green near the pitcher's foot?
It never occurred to me that concerts would cause that sort of disruption to the field. Especially when you consider that the ch-ch-change could be below the sod so not easily visible, like a dent in the ground or something. It seems obvious to me now that I read that article, but I honestly didn't think of it before then.
Zilla (who is uncomfortable when "Guests" who resort to name calling compliment me)
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Post by Kawaii Kaiju on Jul 17, 2007 14:57:29 GMT -6
Having a bad day, DT?? (Is the rolleye thingie OK here, Zilla?) Depends on what you meant by it, I interpreted that eyeroll to mean "what a jackass". Is that what you meant? Or were you also trying to gently tease him so that he knows you actually read his stuff and wanted to give him a little extra attention? Besides, you can communicate with others exactly as you choose to, I was just saying if you want *me* to take things as gentle friendly teasing you really shouldn't use the eyeroll. Zilla (who has given up thinking that she *knows* what you mean, but has to go on her interpretations until it is stated otherwise)
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